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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm sure the court will appreciate the benefit of your insight. You should contact them.
    its not my insight im using the courts and how they have decided previously on like matters so no need to contact them
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    1.) Catholic hospitals' mission of healing entails their free exercise of religion. I think all the government can legally do is to say, 'if you won't do the job, send the patient to someone who will.'

    2.) As for life saving: You might research the different levels of emergency care that exist in US hospitals. A hospital that is not equipped to provide a particular level of care will airlift a patient to another facility. Happens all the time.

    Edited to add levels of trauma centers and services provided.

    ED Facility Level Coding Guidelines
    1.) they can do more and already have to facilities owned by religious orgs that dont follow public rules (IF there were any broken)

    2.) see post 448
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Generally a person does not sue and get damages paid for something that might have happened.

    As to what the government can force on religion, I'd say not allowing snake handling is pretty reasonable given the likelihood of someone being injured of killed. But, like it or not, a hospital is a business, even a hospital that is based on a religious foundation. The government really can't change its business model. We all knew the ACLU was just waiting in the grass for a case like this one. As I said before, it will be a landmark case. The sad part of it is that this case is too weak to even be heard. But it will be. Catholic hospitals, even though they follow a business model, are a mission of the Catholic church. I'm not sure how many Catholic hospitals there are in the US. But I know of one in Nashville, and there is one in my hometown here in KY. There are only two hospitals in my hometown. Can you imagine what would happen if the Catholic church decided to shut down every hospital in the US? It could do that. I doubt it will, but that is an option if the government tries to change what services they offer. I think the only foundation for a finding in favor of the plaintiff is that the hospital did not make an effort to transfer the woman to a facility that would do the procedure. And that is not outlandish. We even have an Air Evac Life Team here in western KY. So, a person with a medical emergency that cannot be treated at a hospital in this area can be in Nashville in less than 20 minutes.

    I think it is appropriate to remind posters of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Catholic hospitals' mission of healing entails their free exercise of religion. I think all the government can legally do is to say, 'if you won't do the job, send the patient to someone who will.'

    As for life saving: You might research the different levels of emergency care that exist in US hospitals. A hospital that is not equipped to provide a particular level of care will airlift a patient to another facility. Happens all the time.

    Edited to add levels of trauma centers and services provided.

    ED Facility Level Coding Guidelines
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
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    Might I ask if you have a legal background?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If it gets that far, yes. But if they had a doctor's statement that (s)he didn't do X because of Directive Y, then they would need to put that in the suit to establish the role of the defendant. They are missing that piece, which is why its weak.
    Not missing, just possibly to be presented at a later time.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Zimmerman was found not guilty.
    Does that matter?

    You were clear that discussing the issue at hand was wrong because we did not have the other side. So inevitable guilt or innocence should be beside the point. I just want to have a discussion without the hypocrisy and double standards. By your standard, discussing that case should not have happened until all information was known.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I don't think a religious based business can be forced by the courts to act outside the parameters of that religion.
    A hospital is not a religious based business

    Which law school did you go to?

    And did you graduate?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    A hospital is not a religious based business

    Which law school did you go to?

    And did you graduate?
    Owned by the church, governed by the church as a mission of the church, and operated with funds of the church. But not a religious based business? How do you figure?

    And what does her credentials matter? What are yours?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Does that matter?

    You were clear that discussing the issue at hand was wrong because we did not have the other side. So inevitable guilt or innocence should be beside the point. I just want to have a discussion without the hypocrisy and double standards. By your standard, discussing that case should not have happened until all information was known.
    My "standard" was to show how trumped up the lefty hysteria over "facts not in evidence" was. And this is the same. As is the lesbian waitress.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    My "standard" was to show how trumped up the lefty hysteria over "facts not in evidence" was. And this is the same. As is the lesbian waitress.
    And many on the right had Trayvon Martin on trial before he was ever arrested. The same folks would cry foul when Zimmerman's past was brought out.

    But if you are honest, most of the left and most of the right did no such things.

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