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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is exactly like the Trayvon Martin case where every lefty knew in their bones what happened.
    This is exactly like that lesbian waitress.

    Liberals, assuming facts not in evidence.
    Did you have any pre-trial assumptions?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Did you have any pre-trial assumptions?
    Just that we dont know that facts of the case and therefor DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

    And that since neither the hospital OR any physician is named that this is not about malpractice-at least to the ACLU.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    The parties not present created the rules that lead to this incident.
    McDonalds was on the hook for the temperature of its coffee. It creates the rules to distribute its products. So wouldn't the bishops be on the hook for their rules?
    In that case, did they sue the guy who wrote the guidelines to heat coffee to 180F, or did they sue the corporation?

    Futhermore, please point to the Directive that drove the results of this case. http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-acti...ition-2009.pdf
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Did you have any pre-trial assumptions?
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Just that we dont know that facts of the case and therefor DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

    And that since neither the hospital OR any physician is named that this is not about malpractice-at least to the ACLU.
    I was speaking to the Trayvon Martin case - did you have any pre-trial stance?

    And in terms of the hospital/MD not being named....perhaps it is because it was a group making the rules that the hospital/MDs were abiding by.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In that case, did they sue the guy who wrote the guidelines to heat coffee to 180F, or did they sue the corporation?

    Futhermore, please point to the Directive that drove the results of this case. http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-acti...ition-2009.pdf
    The guy who wrote them? Lots of people write lots of things. It is the institution that approves the use of the guidelines.

    Going after the writer would be like saying "well Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, the rest of us are not accountable".

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The guy who wrote them? Lots of people write lots of things. It is the institution that approves the use of the guidelines.
    And that institution would be MHP and the hospital coalition, who is absent from the suit.

    However, the suit focuses on Directive 45, which states that they should not perform abortions. However, they never mention directive 47, which states:

    47. Operations, treatments, and medications that have as their direct purpose the cure of a
    proportionately serious pathological condition of a pregnant woman are permitted when they
    cannot be safely postponed until the unborn child is viable, even if they will result in the death of
    the unborn child.
    So they are binding this whole lawsuit on the Directives, yet they fail to mention this one which lets the Doctors and the Hospital determine the appropriate course of action, even if it results in the death of an unborn child. Kinda throws a monkey wrench into the entire suit.

    Additionally, in the suit, they don't mention at any time what the opinion of the actual doctors and nurses at the hospital on the three separate occasions were. They mention that doctors were consulted, but they never give their opinion, instead they focus on administration officials opinions.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I was speaking to the Trayvon Martin case - did you have any pre-trial stance?
    Only that we didn't have any facts. And yet the left was screaming racism from the rooftops.

    I should add I am a Paramedic and have seen the media absolutely misreport stories for over a decade. Its amazing how piss-poor the standards for journalists are these days.

    In the end a hispanic/Jewish guy was exonerated by women, and yet it was still white racists fault.

    The left exposed its bias for all in that trial.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In that case, did they sue the guy who wrote the guidelines to heat coffee to 180F, or did they sue the corporation?
    ...


    Just an FYI: there are 3 defendants who work/worked for Catholic Health Ministries who are also named in suit.
    from Facts#

    73-77 on page 11

    73 Defendant Stanley Urban is the current Chair and Defendants Robert Ladenburger and Mary Mollison are former Chairs of Catholic Health Ministries (“CHM”), an unincorporated foreign entity that required MHP to adhere to the Directives.

    74. The decision that MHP would adhere to Defendant USCCB’s Directives was made by CHM in the Eastern District of Michigan.

    75. CHM is not an incorporated entity under the laws of any state in the United States or any foreign country.

    76. As Chairs of the unincorporated entity CHM, Defendants Urban, Ladenburger and Mollison are personally and/or vicariously liable for the acts and omissions of CHM.

    77. In 2000, CHM was established as a public juridic person by an agency within the Vatican under “canon law,” a recognized foreign legal system.
    https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...nt_final_1.pdf
    Last edited by minnie616; 12-10-13 at 02:17 PM.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Only that we didn't have any facts. And yet the left was screaming racism from the rooftops.

    I should add I am a Paramedic and have seen the media absolutely misreport stories for over a decade. Its amazing how piss-poor the standards for journalists are these days.

    In the end a hispanic/Jewish guy was exonerated by women, and yet it was still white racists fault.

    The left exposed its bias for all in that trial.
    Gotchya, you had (wink wink) no opinion or discussion of the facts available in the Trayvon Martin case before the trial.

    By the way, did you see any opinions or discussions regarding the Trayvon Martin case from the Right?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Gotchya, you had (wink wink) no opinion or discussion of the facts available in the Trayvon Martin case before the trial.

    By the way, did you see any opinions or discussions regarding the Trayvon Martin case from the Right?
    Not really, it was clear the facts of the case were unknown-but the left was still flailing their arms about screaming racism (in that high falsetto voice they have)

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And that institution would be MHP and the hospital coalition, who is absent from the suit.

    However, the suit focuses on Directive 45, which states that they should not perform abortions. However, they never mention directive 47, which states:



    So they are binding this whole lawsuit on the Directives, yet they fail to mention this one which lets the Doctors and the Hospital determine the appropriate course of action, even if it results in the death of an unborn child. Kinda throws a monkey wrench into the entire suit.

    Additionally, in the suit, they don't mention at any time what the opinion of the actual doctors and nurses at the hospital on the three separate occasions were. They mention that doctors were consulted, but they never give their opinion, instead they focus on administration officials opinions.
    Don't you think that information will come out at trial?

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