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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    And I stated the standard care of inducing labor was based on the info in the complaint.

    As has been noted there may have been other medical reasons why the standard care was not used.

    I will be closely following this lawsuit.
    So you dont know, neither does anyone else. Thanks.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So you dont know, neither does anyone else. Thanks.
    I do know that standard care was not followed if the facts in the complaint are true.
    I do know that the patient was not informed of her medical options if the facts in the complaint are true.

    I do know according to the complaint that she developed two infections and that those infections may have been avoided if standard care had been given.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Hippocratic Oath has nothing to do with explaining risks and benefits.
    Not specifically, but inherent in the oath is a duty to do what is right to the patient as a whole, you need to discuss with them the options in a treatment plan. If you know of a way to treat a patient as a whole and not discuss with them the risks /benefits of treatment, I am all ears.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is entirely possible that she doesn't even understand the ACLU's motivation.
    Possible, not likely though.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    People complain about gays, minorities, being a protected class that cannot be discriminated against. Yet here we have a situation where the religious have protected class status and it almost kills somebody, yet this is acceptable?

    There is a real simple fix for all this. Your religion is your personal business and in matters dealing with the public you will follow the rules everybody else has to follow, no more special exceptions.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I do know that standard care was not followed if the facts in the complaint are true.
    I do know that the patient was not informed of her medical options if the facts in the complaint are true.

    I do know according to the complaint that she developed two infections and that those infections may have been avoided if standard care had been given.
    And since we have no evidence of whats true, YOU DONT KNOW.
    Why is that hard to admit?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And if several valid consents are supplied, what then? You DONT KNOW what happened, you know what was put in an article.
    How many times have you had a patient/situation reported on in the local news that was NOT EVEN CLOSE to what happened? It happens all the time.
    Do I need to repeat AGAIN??

    I posted many times IF.....seriously. This is getting silly. What we have to go with right now is just the article and the text of the lawsuit. Are we unable to have a discussion on those issues?

    I take it as a given in a lawsuit there are two sides. And we have heard from one side.

    Now, IF what the lawsuit says is true, what do you think?

    Or do we have to wait until every case is presented in court and we have seen all the evidence before we comment?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Do I need to repeat AGAIN??

    I posted many times IF.....seriously. This is getting silly. What we have to go with right now is just the article and the text of the lawsuit. Are we unable to have a discussion on those issues?

    I take it as a given in a lawsuit there are two sides. And we have heard from one side.

    Now, IF what the lawsuit says is true, what do you think?

    Or do we have to wait until every case is presented in court and we have seen all the evidence before we comment?

    If. If. If.

    Dont waste your time with conditional statements three if's in. It looks silly.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Not specifically, but inherent in the oath is a duty to do what is right to the patient as a whole, you need to discuss with them the options in a treatment plan. If you know of a way to treat a patient as a whole and not discuss with them the risks /benefits of treatment, I am all ears.
    Precisely. The Catholic includes a spiritual dimension in "the patient as a whole." I suspect they saw themselves doing just what you advocate.

    Beyond that, the idea that a physician needs to discuss treatment with a patient is relatively recent, and could be debated on the merits.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If. If. If.

    Dont waste your time with conditional statements three if's in. It looks silly.
    So, then you dismiss any debate where all the variables are not know to a certainty? Buh, bye.

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