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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Probably the same way most babies come out: the uterus contracted. The hospital did not induce the delivery at 18 weeks. It is CLEARLY stated in their directives that to do so constitutes an abortion. No abortions are allowed, ever.
    Kindly show us the patient care report/charts that back up your claim.

    After you fail to provide the above, explain how you somehow know things not in evidence.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    I just skimmed through it. Nothing in there says you can't create your own religion.
    No, but it's clear that not all claims pass muster. I'm betting that the 2,000-year-old Catholic Church will be more credible before the SCOTUS than aorta worship.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Still, if there was no objective sign of labor then sending her home was appropriate. (No contractions, no obvious leakage of amniotic fluid, mucus plug intact.) It should be noted that when there WERE obvious signs of labor they kept her and delivered the baby. And we don't know this person's history of visiting the ER. If she had shown up many times in the past for non emergent issues or with nothing wrong, then being a historical malingerer wouldn't have helped her any. A person complaining subjectively of amniotic fluid leakage when there was none present for the doctor to see would likely have been asked to stay a few hours unless she had a history of coming to the ER for non emergent issues or malingering. All those little stories, like Peter and the Wolf, they read to my generation DID have a point. Sad that they are no longer politically correct. And you know the old joke about what they put on the hypochondriac's tombstone: I told you I was sick!

    All we know is one side of this and that is the allegations. And we all know that just because someone gets accused of something it doesn't make them guilty.
    Exactly, and if that OB is like any practitioner I know, they were sure to carefully document ALL of this.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Free Exercise of Religion and the First Amendment

    law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/freeexercise.htm‎
    This page includes materials relating to the the free exercise clause and its interpretation by the Supreme Court.
    That doesn't limit what a person can believe in any way
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Interesting point, and that makes much more sense to me than what my original take on the issue was. If it were medical negligence or wrong doing, she would be suing the hospital and/or doctor(s), and the ACLU wouldn't be involved at all. That answers the questions that were keeping me a little confused about this entire ordeal. So, what this is really about is the ACLU (who claims to stand for civil liberties), not wanting certain organizations to have civil liberties rights.
    I posted an article earlier that spells it out. I think this one is one to watch with a great deal of interest. This will be a landmark case. It will go all the way to the Supreme Court. I think the kicker will be how the hospital handled it. I don't see how the courts can require a hospital to provide any particular service. However, if it is determined that a therapeutic abortion would have been the appropriate treatment, I believe the hospital probably will be held accountable because they didn't transfer her to a facility that does offer that service. And there again, would this have been an emergency if a therapeutic abortion was appropriate? Was the mother's life in danger without an abortion? Lots of things to question, here. There are a lot of things that could go toward the crux of the matter. I think that you and I both know that no hospital offers EVERY service, and there are various 'levels' applied to hospitals regarding even the types of emergencies they see. And they all have policies about how they will care for a patient and get them to the appropriate level of emergency care.

    I appreciate your comments about the ACLU. They are very choosy about the cases the take, and they don't take much of a shine to religion.

    Businesses and service organizations who do things for religious reasons, really need to be VERY clear to their customers about what services they do and do not provide, so that an informed choice can be made.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No, but it's clear that not all claims pass muster. I'm betting that the 2,000-year-old Catholic Church will be more credible before the SCOTUS than aorta worship.
    One religion can have more credibility than another? I wasn't aware of that.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    That doesn't limit what a person can believe in any way
    No, but it describes the changing limits on what religious expressions will be found by the SCOTUS to be protected under the First Amendment.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The doctors saw. From the complaint
    The complaint is only showing ONE side, we dont have a complete picture, are you suggesting otherwise?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I'm sure the lawyers just made up #'s and claimed that they appear on a report the hospital has in its' files because lawyers are never penalized for making stuff up out of thin air
    Lawyers always tell the truth n stuff.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No, but it describes the changing limits on what religious expressions will be found by the SCOTUS to be protected under the First Amendment.
    Where does it say that a belief in an Aortic God can not be considered religious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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