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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Interesting point, and that makes much more sense to me than what my original take on the issue was. If it were medical negligence or wrong doing, she would be suing the hospital and/or doctor(s), and the ACLU wouldn't be involved at all. That answers the questions that were keeping me a little confused about this entire ordeal. So, what this is really about is the ACLU (who claims to stand for civil liberties), not wanting certain organizations to have civil liberties rights.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Then why is Faux the source of the daily outrage? This is a rare left outrage, maybe.
    Its news. The same story is mentioned by several competitors as well.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Apparently according to the legal complaint the woman was in pain with cramping , her water had broken, the doctors knew by the small amount of amniotic fluid left that the fetus would either be stillborn or would only live a short times ( hours ) but the 18 week fetus still had a heartbeat.

    Why didn't they give meds that would induce labor ?

    standard care would call for labor to be induced and the fetus delivered.

    Is inducing labor when they knew the fetus would not live because there was not enough amniotic fluid considered an abortion and against the Catholic directive?
    See, now you are making major inferences again without knowing what you are talking about. You cant determine standard of care because you dont know many things here-the mothers vitals, the percentage of remaining amniotic fluid, the fetal heart rate, the mothers labs, the fetal position, labs, contractions, and the mothers medical history. Thats critical info you DONT know. You also aren't an Obstetrician-so how on EARTH can you name drop standard of care?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There may be a valid point when it comes to the provision of medical care - that's the American passtime, after all - spin the lawsuit lottery wheel - but that's for a court to decide. But when you couch your complaint about medical care with suggestions like "against the Catholic directive", then you cheapen and lose the argument.
    And thats quite interesting in this case-they aren't suing a physician provider or group, or even the hospital-but the non-medical higher ups.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    I wasn't aware that there are restrictions on what can be worshiped in the First Amendment.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I am. The kind that could die are very important to me. For the record, I am ok with them not providing the service. I AM NOT ok with them refusing to tell her the risks of her condition - which could be deadly. It is simply explaining the risks and options. If (yes if) she was in extreme danger because of the retained failing pregnancy she should have been notified. Hell, on a religious level - if they were gonna play the religion card....why not just send a Priest in to give her the message.(yes, that was sarcastic)

    I am a patient advocate, I believe they should understand the severity of their condition. If they did not inform them, this is in my book the same as the OBGYNs that do not tell their patients of severe anomalies found on testing/ultrasound because they are afraid their patient will seek abortion.

    Yes, a patient advocate. All of them.

    Why not inform the woman of how bad it could get. They do not have to end her pregnancy, they just need to inform her of the real risks. IF they did not inform her of the risks involved in her problematic pregnancy I hope they are held accountable.
    And if several valid consents are supplied, what then? You DONT KNOW what happened, you know what was put in an article.
    How many times have you had a patient/situation reported on in the local news that was NOT EVEN CLOSE to what happened? It happens all the time.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    I just got an A in my american government class yesterday and I don't remember that line in the constitution. Can you find it for me?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The hospital, as I understand it, delivered the child who then passed away a short time later. How do you think that happened?

    I realize that many here would prefer the tweeze and suction method of ridding the womb of the "parasite" as some call it, but some hospitals, some doctors, believe in making every attempt to save a life, no matter how fragile or unlikely to survive.

    And because doctors err on the side of caution, and swear to uphold life I dont think there is a legal issue there-perhaps thats why they did not name the OB or hospital in the suit.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Free Exercise of Religion and the First Amendment

    law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/freeexercise.htm‎
    This page includes materials relating to the the free exercise clause and its interpretation by the Supreme Court.
    I just skimmed through it. Nothing in there says you can't create your own religion.
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