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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You claimed that the doctors did not know her condition. That was a lie

    Changing the subject won't work
    Where did I say that? I believe I said 'IF there was no objective evidence.....' IF there was objective evidence that she could not carry the child to term, then a therapeutic abortion would likely have been an option. IF that was the case, and they didn't offer her a therapeutic abortion, then the bishops' policy that no therapeutic abortions be done is what this case is about.

    I can assure you that I'm not scouring the web for medical records in this case. Nothing will count except what is presented to a jury.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That would be something to PM a mod about...They are sensitive about discussing their rules in open forum.
    No biggie. If it's allowed, that's fine. I think I'm done trying to discuss with the person who has been so hostile toward me, though.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Where did I say that? I believe I said 'IF there was no objective evidence.....' IF there was objective evidence that she could not carry the child to term, then a therapeutic abortion would likely have been an option. IF that was the case, and they didn't offer her a therapeutic abortion, then the bishops' policy that no therapeutic abortions be done is what this case is about.

    I can assure you that I'm not scouring the web for medical records in this case. Nothing will count except what is presented to a jury.
    There is objective evidence, and the case is not about the hospital's policy of not performing abortions.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is objective evidence, and the case is not about the hospital's policy of not performing abortions.
    Where did you go to law school?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Where did you go to law school?
    Where did you get the ideas for the fantasies you've posted?
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Where did you get the ideas for the fantasies you've posted?
    I understand the law. But since you don't, here it is off the web:

    The ACLU wants Catholic hospitals to practice medicine without morals. The American Civil Liberties Union is so upset that a Michigan baby died just after being born that the group is suing the Catholic Church for not deliberately killing the child earlier. // !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],p=/^http:/.test(d.location)?'http':'https';if(!d.getElementB yId(id)){js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src=p+' ://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js';fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs);}} (document, 'script', 'twitter-wjs'); // In a lawsuit filed on Nov. 29 against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in U.S. District Court in Michigan, the ACLU contends that the church's medical directives reflecting a pro-life stance against abortion resulted in negligent care for a woman with a troubled pregnancy who eventually lost the child. "It's not just about one woman," said Kary Moss, executive director of the Michigan ACLU, in a Newsmax report quoted in The Washington Times. "It's about a nationwide policy created by nonmedical professionals putting patients in harm's way." Translation: Either the Catholic Church directs Catholic hospitals to perform abortions or it will be bankrupted, courtesy of the ACLU, which fights for the "right" to abort even full-term, healthy babies. For good measure, the ACLU named as defendants the current and past two directors of Catholic Health Ministries, the group that issues national ethical directives for Catholic health institutions. - See more at: Can the ACLU force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions?
    Can the ACLU force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The First Amendment.
    By that logic it would be ok for a surgeon whose god is the aorta and has sworn never to touch it to let his patient bleed to death if it gets nicked during surgery.
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    Why aren't monkeys having human children?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    No biggie. If it's allowed, that's fine. I think I'm done trying to discuss with the person who has been so hostile toward me, though.
    Understandable....That's what I do when select members continue relentlessly, and won't discuss the topic, but continue to attack...I just ignore them, til the next time I feel like engaging them.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I understand the law. But since you don't, here it is off the web:



    Can the ACLU force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions?
    non-sequitor noted
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    non-sequitor noted
    I did not write the article. I merely posted it for your edification. Now, please stop attacking me.
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