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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
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    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
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    Actually, the case is about medical negligence. Once again, your claims have been proven to be BS.

    From the suit:
    The ACLU doesn't offer services for medical mal cases. Any plaintiff attorney will take a med mal case on contingency with no cost to the plaintiff if they do not win. This case is about a Catholic hospital not doing a therapeutic abortion on a woman who claims she had no chance of carrying the child to term, and whether the law supports the hospital refusing to do a therapeutic abortion for religious reasons. Bishops don't practice medicine. It would be silly to sue them for med mal. Bishops make policy. Therefore the suit against the bishops. If you notice the cases the ACLU takes are policy issues and the question is whether or not a particular policy is constitutional.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    The ACLU doesn't offer services for medical mal cases. Any plaintiff attorney will take a med mal case on contingency. This case is about a Catholic hospital not doing a therapeutic abortion on a woman who claims she had no chance of carrying the child to term, and whether the law supports the hospital refusing to do a therapeutic abortion for religious reasons. Bishops don't practice medicine. It would be silly to sue them for med mal.
    Every single sentence is untrue.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Agreed. And her motivation and the ACLU motivation may be quite different.
    It is entirely possible that she doesn't even understand the ACLU's motivation.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is it always necessary to constantly call people liars? Why can't you have a conversation where you argue your points without all the vitriol?
    I thought there was a rule against calling people liars. But maybe that's a different forum.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your point was that the doctors did not know the condition of the woman's fetus.

    Your point was a lie and exposed as such, so now you're pretending that your point is something else
    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is a policy decision. And this case is about policy. You are too quick to jump on it when you don't really understand it. This case is not about medical negligence, it is about policy. She is accusing the hospital of acting in accordance with a policy. The same as a Jewish or muslim deli is acting in accordance with a policy when they refuse to serve pork. I realize that it is difficult for someone without a legal background to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Every single sentence is untrue.
    Where did you go to law school?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    It is entirely possible that she doesn't even understand the ACLU's motivation.
    You claimed that the doctors did not know her condition. That was a lie

    Changing the subject won't work

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    I thought there was a rule against calling people liars. But maybe that's a different forum.
    i did not call you a liar. I said your claims are lies.

    Learn the difference

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    Where did you go to law school?
    Since you can't refute my claim, you're engaging in ad hominems
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    She had two children.

    I think she thought the pregnancy could be saved.
    Apparently she was not seeking an abortion but wanted help because her water broke 5 months early , she was bleeding and apparently she was experencing pains.

    Yes they should have induced labor and delivered the fetus.
    Howevre since she was only 18 weeks along the fetus would not survive deliery and apparently the Catholic Church would deem that a "direct abortion" which is against their ethics.

    So they sent home twice and would have sent home a third time even though she had two inefections that could have life threatening ,but the fetus was being expeled before they could get her out of the hospital the third time.
    And why anyone thinks that it's ok for the Catholic hospital to put their religious beliefs ahead of treating a woman appropriately - a woman who could have died for the infection - well, anyone who thinks it's ok, I just don't understand. I don't even know how to approach you this issue because our perspectives are so different. I don't think religion trumps a woman's life. You do. I hope you never end up in a hospital needing a transfusion only to find out it's run by Jehovah's Witnesses.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    And why anyone thinks that it's ok for the Catholic hospital to put their religious beliefs ahead of treating a woman appropriately - a woman who could have died for the infection - well, anyone who thinks it's ok, I just don't understand. I don't even know how to approach you this issue because our perspectives are so different. I don't think religion trumps a woman's life. You do. I hope you never end up in a hospital needing a transfusion only to find out it's run by Jehovah's Witnesses.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    I thought there was a rule against calling people liars. But maybe that's a different forum.
    That would be something to PM a mod about...They are sensitive about discussing their rules in open forum.
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