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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The hospital, as I understand it, delivered the child who then passed away a short time later. How do you think that happened?

    I realize that many here would prefer the tweeze and suction method of ridding the womb of the "parasite" as some call it, but some hospitals, some doctors, believe in making every attempt to save a life, no matter how fragile or unlikely to survive.
    Probably the same way most babies come out: the uterus contracted. The hospital did not induce the delivery at 18 weeks. It is CLEARLY stated in their directives that to do so constitutes an abortion. No abortions are allowed, ever.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There may be a valid point when it comes to the provision of medical care - that's the American passtime, after all - spin the lawsuit lottery wheel - but that's for a court to decide. But when you couch your complaint about medical care with suggestions like "against the Catholic directive", then you cheapen and lose the argument.
    It is not a suggestion; It is a fact. The hospital did not induce labor because they consider it abortion to induce labor when they know the fetus won't survive. Their belief that it is an abortion is a direct result of their religious belief.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, this has all the odor of a trumped up showcase to push the pro-abortion agenda of forcing all facilities, irrespective of their constitutional rights, to provide abortion on demand.
    The suit does not ask that the hospital be forced to perform abortions.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    They have a birthing center at that hospital so I think they have maternity services.
    Still, if there was no objective sign of labor then sending her home was appropriate. (No contractions, no obvious leakage of amniotic fluid, mucus plug intact.) It should be noted that when there WERE obvious signs of labor they kept her and delivered the baby. And we don't know this person's history of visiting the ER. If she had shown up many times in the past for non emergent issues or with nothing wrong, then being a historical malingerer wouldn't have helped her any. A person complaining subjectively of amniotic fluid leakage when there was none present for the doctor to see would likely have been asked to stay a few hours unless she had a history of coming to the ER for non emergent issues or malingering. All those little stories, like Peter and the Wolf, they read to my generation DID have a point. Sad that they are no longer politically correct. And you know the old joke about what they put on the hypochondriac's tombstone: I told you I was sick!

    All we know is one side of this and that is the allegations. And we all know that just because someone gets accused of something it doesn't make them guilty.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    and yet you liked Fisher's reply. I am confused. Did anyone actually read the article or do you respond based on the headline only?
    "Like" =/= agree.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The hospital, as I understand it, delivered the child who then passed away a short time later. How do you think that happened?

    I realize that many here would prefer the tweeze and suction method of ridding the womb of the "parasite" as some call it, but some hospitals, some doctors, believe in making every attempt to save a life, no matter how fragile or unlikely to survive.
    The standard treatment for a woman whose water breaks before viability and who has insufficient amniotic fluid to sustain the fetus is to induced labor and deliver ...not "tweeze and suction" ( your words not mine).

    According to the legal complaint they delivered the baby because when they were signing the discharge papers to send her home a third time the feet of baby breached her cervix. The baby was being expelled , and it was only then they attended to the delivery of preemie who died two and half hours later.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you know for a fact this didn't happen? Do you know what private and confidential doctor/patient conversations took place at the hospital on each of the occasions on which she visited? As I understand it, her lawsuit, filed by the ACLU, doesn't name the specific doctors involved - why's that? Could it be they have bigger agenda issues to pursue and this woman happens to be a convenient pawn?

    As for informing her of "the risks involved in her problematic pregnancy", are you claiming this hospital was her primary prenatal care provider? Where's her own doctor in all of this if her "problematic pregnancy" was so evident for all the world to see? Is he/she being sued for not fully informing her of the risks involved?

    No, this has all the odor of a trumped up showcase to push the pro-abortion agenda of forcing all facilities, irrespective of their constitutional rights, to provide abortion on demand.
    Did you read where I emphatically said "IF" (yes if)?

    None of us know what really happened. That drama is ultimately to unfold. That is why I said "if" (yes if).

    But if they did not disclose the dangers of a dangerous condition because they do not provide abortions... they should rightfully be in a lot of hot water.

    I said this on another thread....if you go to a doctor that gives you only information that is pertinent to his interpretation of his religion, I would run for the hills. People interpret their religion and faith in God in many different ways. 5 different Catholics may interpret their faith 5 different ways.

    I have also said this before. I am ok with them not providing an abortion. I am not ok with them failing to disclose the dangers to her body with the troubled pregnancy.

    I have no clue why the doctors were not name as primary defendants. Perhaps they were direct employees? Do not know. Perhaps there are rules and regulations from the hospital that they were abiding by? Don't know. Perhaps looking for deep pockets? Don't know. Perhaps they are directly mentioned and we do not know it.

    I was clearly responding to hypotheticals - as we all are - because very little is known.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Her water broke, she should know...OB aint my thing but I would know to get a second opinion.
    Yes of course, it's the patients job to figure out what the **** is going on, not the doctor's....

    I hope she sues the ever loving piss out of them.
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