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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    I read the article several times. I am not sure I understand why they said the mother's life was 'at risk'. Delivery is painful and usually pain meds are offered and administered. Why not in this case? Help me to understand what put the mother's life at risk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    There is no information such as, was this her first pregnancy? Had she ever delivered before? I might conclude this suit was a result of the abject fear she experienced since she had no clue what level of pain she was in for, and thought she was going to die. But that is only my opinion. There had to be several other places she could have gone to to abort her child. Three trips is a bit strange.
    She had two children.

    I think she thought the pregnancy could be saved.
    Apparently she was not seeking an abortion but wanted help because her water broke 5 months early , she was bleeding and apparently she was experencing pains.

    Yes they should have induced labor and delivered the fetus.
    Howevre since she was only 18 weeks along the fetus would not survive deliery and apparently the Catholic Church would deem that a "direct abortion" which is against their ethics.

    So they sent home twice and would have sent home a third time even though she had two inefections that could have life threatening ,but the fetus was being expeled before they could get her out of the hospital the third time.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    "The lawsuit alleges that Means' case was among five instances in which Mercy Health Partners had not induced labor in pregnant women whose water broke before their fetuses could survive" .

    From:an NBC News article titled:



    Catholic hospital's religious rules led to negligent care in miscarriage, ACLU says



    Catholic hospital's religious rules led to negligent care in miscarriage, ACLU says - NBC News.com
    And? Show this was policy. Show that in EACH of those cases, due regard was not taken, and best practices were not met.

    They cant, thats why the best they can hope for is a civil suit against bishops.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    She had two children.

    I think she thought the pregnancy could be saved.
    Apparently she was not seeking an abortion but wanted help because her water broke 5 months early , she was bleeding and apparently she was experencing pains.

    Yes they should have induced labor and delivered the fetus.
    Howevre since she was only 18 weeks along the fetus would not survive deliery and apparently the Catholic Church would deem that a "direct abortion" which is against their ethics.

    So they sent home twice and would have sent home a third time even though she had two inefections that could have life threatening ,but the fetus was being expeled before they could get her out of the hospital the third time.
    20 weeks is the accepted minimum for viability. But we dont know what other factors were involved.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    And if this is the case, why is she not suing the obstetrician or hospital, but a council of Bishops?
    The ACLU is also suing the hospital .
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I know that! How do you think I got to Vegas last month?
    I doubt you remember how you got to vegas last month. BTW-pain meds (opiates) aren't given to expectant mothers, before sending them home.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Tamesha Means lawsuit: Catholic hospital 'forced miscarrying woman to deliver 18-week fetus' | Mail Online

    Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.

    • Tamesha Means, 30, of Muskegon, Michigan, filed a lawsuit Friday against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
    • It claims Means, then 27 and a mother-of-two, visited the hospital - the only one in her county - three times after her water broke five months early
    • She says she was told to go home before she miscarried on the third visit and was forced to deliver the 18 week fetus feet-first

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    My question would be this: who was her doctor, and why would he/she not have been involved in this from the beginning? If this was a problem that the hospital could not handle, why would they not have referred her to go to another hospital? This is a situation which makes no sense to me.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The ACLU is also suing the hospital .
    Not according to the legal complaint. Of note-the physician provider group and OB isnt named either. This is a calculated attack, it has nothing to do with the medical particulars of the case.

    https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...nt_final_1.pdf

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    My question would be this: who was her doctor, and why would he/she not have been involved in this from the beginning? If this was a problem that the hospital could not handle, why would they not have referred her to go to another hospital? This is a situation which makes no sense to me.
    Because you are being told the story from one side. As policy, hospitals (and generally religious groups) dont counter to the press, because its headed for court.

    The intent here is for a major lawsuit against religious medical institutions, im sure the have been case shopping for some time.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    My question would be this: who was her doctor, and why would he/she not have been involved in this from the beginning? If this was a problem that the hospital could not handle, why would they not have referred her to go to another hospital? This is a situation which makes no sense to me.


    Well, in my case my doctor was oit of town so when I went into premature labor at about 20 weeks gestation DH and I went to the ER for help.

    I was hoping my labor could be stopped so I could deliver a healthy baby.

    The directives of the hospital is not to inform patients about alternatives


    Because of its Catholic affiliation and binding directives, the hospital told Tamesha that there was nothing it could do and did not tell Tamesha that terminating her pregnancy was an option and the safest course for her condition. When Tamesha returned to the hospital a third time in extreme distress and with an infection, the hospital once again prepared to send her home.
    While staff prepared her discharge paperwork, she began to deliver. Only then did the hospital begin tending to Tamesha's miscarriage.

    The directives prohibit a pre-viability pregnancy termination, even when there is little or no chance that the fetus will survive, and the life or health of a pregnant woman is at risk.

    They also direct health care providers not to inform patients about alternatives inconsistent with those directives even when those alternatives are the best option for the patient's health.

    https://www.aclu.org/reproductive-fr...tholic-bishops
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Practitioners and institutions can have their values and no one should take that away from them, I'd like to hear from her physician in order to have a fair judgement on the case.
    What confuses me about this story, is that I haven't been able to find any information on what the real situation was, but it sounds like this hospital wasn't the one she had intended to give birth in, but was just the closest to her home. If I were pregnant, and started bleeding at 18 weeks, I'd sure as hell call my ob-gyn, and get myself to the hospital where my ob-gyn practiced. To me, it sounds like she wasn't being very smart at all. I'd really like to know the entire story, because I don't think this story is exactly as it is being portrayed. Sounds to me like the ACLU just trying to get a religious-based hospital shut down, unless they will start providing abortion on demand.

    Tamesha Means went into early labor in 2010 at 18 weeks when her water broke. A friend helped Tamesha by taking her to the closest hospital, Mercy Health Partners, where she was told she was likely to lose the baby.
    Quoting the NPR report, Means was “told that the hospital would not do the therapeutic abortion she would get in a non-Catholic facility.”

    She was discharged with medication, but returned very ill with a fever, bleeding and in pain. On her third trip, as they were prepping to discharge her, she delivered the premature infant who died after a few hours.

    ACLU sues Michigan Catholic hospital for Tamesha Means miscarriage case because no
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