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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    First Amendment to the US Constitution:


    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    The thing about this, is the left has an amazing capacity for selective logic, they will find a way to justify this, and say it does not apply.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    The doctors have an obligation to her first and foremost. Do no harm and they almost killed her.
    Doctors have an obligation to their patients, yes. That's why abortionists aren't real doctors.

    Any OBGYN worth going to knows that pregnancy involves (at least) two patients, and that the principle of nonmaleficence applies equally.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I'll accept this but put this to you. Why should a Catholic hospital, even if it's the only one in the county, be denied their constitutional rights simply because the county provides no other options? When did it become the responsibility of the Catholic Church to serve the medical needs of all citizens in a particular area? Seems to me, your issue is with the county and/or the State of Michigan, for not ensuring reasonable access to hospital or clinical facilities that serve the needs of those who want services contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

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    The Catholic Church is buying up secular hospitals all over the US.

    The Catholic hospitals and clinics in the USA now get 1 out of every 6 patients.
    There are a lot of areas in the USA such as the state of Washington where patients just don't have a choice within 100 's of miles.

    The hospital the women who miscarried in the OP went to was the only one within 30 miles.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The Catholic Church is buying up secular hospitals all over the US.

    The Catholic hospitals and clinics in the USA now get 1 out of every 6 patients.
    There are a lot of areas in the USA such as the state of Washington where patients just don't have a choice within 100 's of miles.

    The hospital the women who miscarried in the OP went to was the only one within 30 miles.
    30 miles is a half hour drive. She went back several times, and claims she didnt know WHAT was going on, despite HAVING to sign that she did know.

    Let me guess, the solution is to replace all private religious hospitals with public non religious hospitals?

    Am I right?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    30 miles is a half hour drive.
    No reason why a life-threatening complication from pregnancy should have stopped her from driving around while on pain killers in order to shop for a 2nd opinion!


    She went back several times, and claims she didnt know WHAT was going on, despite HAVING to sign that she did know.
    No, she went there the next day where she gave birth to the child who died shortly thereafter
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No reason why a life-threatening complication from pregnancy should have stopped her from driving around while on pain killers in order to shop for a 2nd opinion!




    No, she went there the next day where she gave birth to the child who died shortly thereafter
    If only there was a van with flashing lights and a gurney that could drive her places! 3 times she made it back, surely she might have noticed a trend.
    Last edited by US Conservative; 12-08-13 at 11:17 PM.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If only there was a van with flashing lights and a gurney that could drive her places! 3 times she made it back, surely she might have noticed a trend.
    That's right! I forgot that catholic hospitals that oppose abortions provide ambulances bring their patients to hospitals where they do perform abortions!

    And she went back two times, both on the same day.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's right! I forgot that catholic hospitals that oppose abortions provide ambulances bring their patients to hospitals where they do perform abortions!

    And she went back two times, both on the same day.
    Ambulances make housecalls buddy, is this news to you? All she had to do is call 911 and say take me to where ever.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    "The lawsuit alleges that Means' case was among five instances in which Mercy Health Partners had not induced labor in pregnant women whose water broke before their fetuses could survive" .

    From:an NBC News article titled:



    Catholic hospital's religious rules led to negligent care in miscarriage, ACLU says




    “The ACLU is right,” said Art Caplan, director of the division of medical ethics at New York University Langone Medical Center and a frequent NBC News contributor. “At a minimum, patients deserve to know all medically, not theologically, appropriate options. Minimally, patients have the right to know where to get those options. And if no other facility can perform them, patients have a right to expect that a hospital will put aside its theology and do what is medically best for each patient, even if that means violating a deeply held religious view.”

    Mercy Health Partners is overseen by parent company Trinity Health, which merged in May with Catholic Health East, a health system that includes 82 hospitals in 21 states. It’s the second-largest non-profit health system in the U.S., according to Moody’s Investors Service.

    The lawsuit alleges that Means' case was among five instances in which Mercy Health Partners had not induced labor in pregnant women whose water broke before their fetuses could survive. Joseph O’Meara, the hospital’s vice president of mission services, said that the directives authorized by the Catholic bishops prohibited the hospital from inducing labor.
    Catholic hospital's religious rules led to negligent care in miscarriage, ACLU says - NBC News.com
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Ambulances make housecalls buddy, is this news to you? All she had to do is call 911 and say take me to where ever.
    I know that! How do you think I got to Vegas last month?
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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