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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    I wonder what their rationale would be if they knew that a miscarrying fetus was guaranteed to kill the mother unless removed? By their rules, the mother would also be dead.

    How could they possibly explain this hypothetical?

    Thats not a hypothetical, that happens often enough as an ectopic pregnancy. there are ways to treat it.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Tell the author of the OP he's lying and the article he linked is lying, if you don't believe the words I quoted from the OP.

    Again - From the OP - Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.

    By the way, you even "liked" the OP and the words it contained as repeated above - so to use the same attack you used on Jack Hayes, why did you like something you believed was a lie? You liked it so you must agree with it. So you agree with a lie and you continue to defend it.
    They lack reading comprehension-let alone any medical comprehension.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You said she is suing because they would not give her an abortion. Now you're changing you story to "because of their no abortion policy"

    SHe is suing because she didn't receive the proper care for her condition, which did not require an abortion
    I'm responding to the OP and to people who comment on the OP - not to your nonsense parsing and distortion of my posts. I didn't change my story at all - nor did I ever say, as you claimed, that she was suing because she wanted an abortion - the suit is because she and her lawyers claim the proper or right care for her, in her condition, was to give her an abortion.

    It really is pathetic, and this isn't the first or even the 20th time, that you need to distort and and twist another persons comments in order to invent an argument that doesn't exist. It's why I ignored your posts before and I shall do so again.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats not a hypothetical, that happens often enough as an ectopic pregnancy. there are ways to treat it.
    Be that as it may. Let's say they can't treat it and it will kill the mother. What will they do? No abortion means the mother dies.

    How can they justify that?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I imagine this has already been answered - but this was the only hospital in the county; there weren't any others.

    Hospitals run by Catholic organizations get a heckuva lot of money from state and federal govts, including Medicare and Medicaid. They need to provide all care that is part of normal medical practices, including doing a D&C on a woman in a case like this. They should not be allowed to let their religion deny needed medical care to the patient.

    And again - they ARE the only hospital in the county, and this is becoming all too common.

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    Well, I'll accept this but put this to you. Why should a Catholic hospital, even if it's the only one in the county, be denied their constitutional rights simply because the county provides no other options? When did it become the responsibility of the Catholic Church to serve the medical needs of all citizens in a particular area? Seems to me, your issue is with the county and/or the State of Michigan, for not ensuring reasonable access to hospital or clinical facilities that serve the needs of those who want services contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the Catholic Church, prior to building or opening the hospital in this area, made it clear to county officials that they would not be providing abortion services. Since it is the State that is responsible for ensuring the provision of a woman's right to an abortion, not the Catholic Church, the woman may have a case against the State, but not the Church.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    I wonder what their rationale would be if they knew that a miscarrying fetus was guaranteed to kill the mother unless removed? By their rules, the mother would also be dead.

    How could they possibly explain this hypothetical?
    I don't profess to be a doctor nor do I profess to be a spokesperson for the Catholic Church, but my guess would be that the Catholic Hospital would attempt to "deliver" the fetus while protecting the life of the mother. It may be semantics to some, but it would be the hospital attempting to save both lives with the understanding that the life of the child is a lesser priority, but not of lesser value, to the life of the mother.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Be that as it may. Let's say they can't treat it and it will kill the mother. What will they do? No abortion means the mother dies.

    How can they justify that?
    They dont because it does not happen. Find me a documented case. Note that the original posts article is not a documented case.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I'll accept this but put this to you. Why should a Catholic hospital, even if it's the only one in the county, be denied their constitutional rights simply because the county provides no other options? When did it become the responsibility of the Catholic Church to serve the medical needs of all citizens in a particular area? Seems to me, your issue is with the county and/or the State of Michigan, for not ensuring reasonable access to hospital or clinical facilities that serve the needs of those who want services contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the Catholic Church, prior to building or opening the hospital in this area, made it clear to county officials that they would not be providing abortion services. Since it is the State that is responsible for ensuring the provision of a woman's right to an abortion, not the Catholic Church, the woman may have a case against the State, but not the Church.
    Well, I would agree that when they first applied to take over the hospital, the licensing should have been based on them serving everyone according to best practice medical techniques and that it should have been clear they could not apply their religious bias to the care they provide. If they were unwilling to do that, they should not have been allowed to take over the hospital.

    I also would agree that IF THEY TOOK NO STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY - including medicare/medicaid -and it was all private - then they could say they can discriminate on the care they provide.

    But given that they take our tax dollars, they need to follow best practice medical care. In this case, sending the woman home in her condition and refusing to do an abortion was NOT best practice medical care. We're not talking about an abortion for non-medical reasons; we're talking about saving a woman's life.

    I do agree that when they got the license it should have been made clear to them the standard of care they were expected to provide; I hold the people who licensed them responsible for that. But given that they are the only hospital in the county, they need to provide proper care. If they don't want to, they should only take over hospitals in areas where there are secular alternatives. That's their choice - they chose an area with no other hospitals. They didn't have to.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Well, I would agree that when they first applied to take over the hospital, the licensing should have been based on them serving everyone according to best practice medical techniques and that it should have been clear they could not apply their religious bias to the care they provide. If they were unwilling to do that, they should not have been allowed to take over the hospital.

    I also would agree that IF THEY TOOK NO STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY - including medicare/medicaid -and it was all private - then they could say they can discriminate on the care they provide.

    But given that they take our tax dollars, they need to follow best practice medical care. In this case, sending the woman home in her condition and refusing to do an abortion was NOT best practice medical care. We're not talking about an abortion for non-medical reasons; we're talking about saving a woman's life.

    I do agree that when they got the license it should have been made clear to them the standard of care they were expected to provide; I hold the people who licensed them responsible for that. But given that they are the only hospital in the county, they need to provide proper care. If they don't want to, they should only take over hospitals in areas where there are secular alternatives. That's their choice - they chose an area with no other hospitals. They didn't have to.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There is more to this story. They would have probably transfered her by ambulance or at least told her to go to the nearest hospital. Fishy story.
    Yes, I agree. Fishy story. Just because someone who is after money alleges something for the purpose of a lawsuit, it doesn't mean the allegation is true. People allege all kinds of things in lawsuits that never go anywhere. There is going to be a burden of proof, and the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. Many things will come into play to include doctor and nurse testimony, witness testimony, the medical record to name just a few. There is equipment these days that will show if a woman is in labor or not. The readout from that, which always finds its way into the chart, no doubt will be an important piece of evidence in this case.
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