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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    You got caught agreeing with something you knew was a lie. Now, after agreeing that lucid means cogent, you're dishonestly claiming that lucid does not mean cogent, and that the lie was convincing even though it didn't convince you.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    Keep trying, but the plain meaning of English is against you.
    You have been reduced to repeating "nuh-uh"

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    You have been reduced to repeating "nuh-uh"

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    Indeed. I find it difficult to debate someone who disputes the plain meaning of words.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

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    Indeed. I find it difficult to debate someone who disputes the plain meaning of words.
    I didn't notice that you debate.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Some people just can't take off the presuppositional blinders to see the big picture. As soon as the word 'abortion' is used, the common sense part of their brain shuts down.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's a bit of a stretch, but I haven't seen anything here yet that indicates where the woman's family doctor or doctor providing prenatal care is all of this or if she consulted with him/her and what advice that person gave.

    Fact remains that Catholic hospitals have a constitutional right not to perform abortions and in my view, her own doctor should have been instructing her what to do should something go wrong and where to go. I also find it hard to believe that in a city of almost 40,000 there's only one hospital, a Catholic one, and no other medical facilities capable of serving this woman's needs.
    I imagine this has already been answered - but this was the only hospital in the county; there weren't any others.

    Hospitals run by Catholic organizations get a heckuva lot of money from state and federal govts, including Medicare and Medicaid. They need to provide all care that is part of normal medical practices, including doing a D&C on a woman in a case like this. They should not be allowed to let their religion deny needed medical care to the patient.

    And again - they ARE the only hospital in the county, and this is becoming all too common.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    IMAGINE

    Imagine if the Jehovah’s Witness church owned the only hospital in your area. Your loved one was in accident , has loss a lot of blood and their life is at risk. He/she needs a blood transfusion right away. But there is no Blood supply in the hospital because blood transfusions are against the religion of the Jehovah's Witness . Their in-house professional ethicist rejects the morality of blood transfusions, and the administrators have signed an agreement with the church to never, under any circumstances, carry out blood transfusions.

    Therefore , without the life saving blood your loved one dies.

    But that's OK ... Right? after all the hospital has a right to enforce their religious morals on all patients who enter the hospital not just those who agree with the ethics of the church that happens to own the hospital.

    Yeah...You may feel that way. I used to feel that way too ...but not anymore.

    I still agree practitioners should be allowed to have their values and be able to opt of certain procedures ( ie: Catholics and abortions , Jehovah’s Witness and blood transfusions ) but not hospitals because hospitals serve the general popuation and should offer life saving treatment to all their patients.
    Well said! well said!

    This wasn't a private hospital with a select few patients. It is a hospital that serves the general community; it should not force its religious biases on patient care.

    Don't forget, these hospitals also won't do tubal litigations and vasectomies. There are other procedures they won't do due to faith -
    "Catholic health institutions may not promote or condone contraceptive practices." Emergency contraception can only be given to rape victims, and even then only "if, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already." Vasectomies and tubal ligations are also prohibited. Egg and sperm donors are deemed "contrary to the covenant of marriage," surrogate motherhood is prohibited because it denigrates "the dignity of the child and marriage," and doctors at Catholic hospitals can't help infertile couples conceive artificially—using their own eggs and sperm—because test-tube babies "separate procreation from the marital act in its unitive significance."

    Then there's this: "Abortion... is never permitted."

    Not even when the egg attaches outside the uterus and puts a mother's life in danger: "In case of extrauterine pregnancy, no intervention is morally licit which constitutes a direct abortion."

    Vasectomies, sperm donation, abortions, surrogacy—these are all perfectly legal, mundane procedures that married couples and single people of all faiths utilize (as recent statistics show, even 98 percent of Catholic women admit to using birth control). And yet, according to the Catholic institutions conquering our medical ones, these are options patients should not have.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    I wonder what their rationale would be if they knew that a miscarrying fetus was guaranteed to kill the mother unless removed? By their rules, the mother would also be dead.

    How could they possibly explain this hypothetical?
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    I wonder what their rationale would be if they knew that a miscarrying fetus was guaranteed to kill the mother unless removed? By their rules, the mother would also be dead.

    How could they possibly explain this hypothetical?
    I assume they think it's up to their god to decide who lives and who dies.....

    but it's sad.

    Friend's mom - had five kids - was in the Catholic hospital for another pregnancy which was medically difficult and life-threatening ... the mom asked for a tubal litigation so that she didn't risk getting pregnant again which would cause her to die, and leave her kids motherless. Hospital refused because "she might change her mind someday". Luckily, back in those days there were more choices, and she never went to that hospital again.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why do you insist on sticking to a lie so obvious that even your buddy won't defend it?
    Tell the author of the OP he's lying and the article he linked is lying, if you don't believe the words I quoted from the OP.

    Again - From the OP - Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.

    By the way, you even "liked" the OP and the words it contained as repeated above - so to use the same attack you used on Jack Hayes, why did you like something you believed was a lie? You liked it so you must agree with it. So you agree with a lie and you continue to defend it.
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