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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, cogent works. Still has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement.
    cogent means "clear, logical, and convincing"
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    cogent means "clear, logical, and convincing"
    Yes, cogent can mean those things, but it need not mean them all in any one case, and as a meaning for "lucid" it does not. Moreover, even if an argument is convincingly made, granting that compliment still does not convey agreement.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, cogent can mean those things, but it need not mean them all in any one case, and as a meaning for "lucid" it does not. Moreover, even if an argument is convincingly made, granting that compliment still does not convey agreement.
    You got caught agreeing with something you knew was a lie. Now, after agreeing that lucid means cogent, you're dishonestly claiming that lucid does not mean cogent, and that the lie was convincing even though it didn't convince you.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's not why the woman is suing. Please stop telling such obvious lies.
    From the OP - Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.

    Now, tell us again who's telling obvious lies and who has a hard time believing the facts.

    Just because you crank it out, doesn't make it true.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet you agreed with a post that claimed the woman wanted an abortion

    Lie much?
    No one said she went to the hospital for the purpose of getting an abortion but that doesn't change the fact that the woman is suing the hospital because of their no abortion policy supposedly putting her life at risk.

    Are your posts dense much?
    Last edited by CanadaJohn; 12-08-13 at 06:30 AM.
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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Practitioners and institutions can have their values and no one should take that away from them, ...

    IMAGINE

    Imagine if the Jehovah’s Witness church owned the only hospital in your area. Your loved one was in accident , has loss a lot of blood and their life is at risk. He/she needs a blood transfusion right away. But there is no Blood supply in the hospital because blood transfusions are against the religion of the Jehovah's Witness . Their in-house professional ethicist rejects the morality of blood transfusions, and the administrators have signed an agreement with the church to never, under any circumstances, carry out blood transfusions.

    Therefore , without the life saving blood your loved one dies.

    But that's OK ... Right? after all the hospital has a right to enforce their religious morals on all patients who enter the hospital not just those who agree with the ethics of the church that happens to own the hospital.

    Yeah...You may feel that way. I used to feel that way too ...but not anymore.

    I still agree practitioners should be allowed to have their values and be able to opt of certain procedures ( ie: Catholics and abortions , Jehovah’s Witness and blood transfusions ) but not hospitals because hospitals serve the general popuation and should offer life saving treatment to all their patients.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Tamesha Means lawsuit: Catholic hospital 'forced miscarrying woman to deliver 18-week fetus' | Mail Online

    Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.

    • Tamesha Means, 30, of Muskegon, Michigan, filed a lawsuit Friday against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
    • It claims Means, then 27 and a mother-of-two, visited the hospital - the only one in her county - three times after her water broke five months early
    • She says she was told to go home before she miscarried on the third visit and was forced to deliver the 18 week fetus feet-first



    Shades of the debacle in Ireland where the woman died.



    I don't know why people are all flustered about the possible imposition of sharia law when there is a christian version just as bad and already in place.
    I don't see the problem here.

    A.) This was a Catholic hospital. They don't perform abortions, and they don't send you somewhere else so you can get an abortion.

    B.) The woman is fine. She wasn't even hurt, so why is she suing again? Because she "almost" got hurt?

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Actually ....the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Michigan have filed a lawsuit on behalf of her because she was denied the applicable standard of care in this case.


    The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Michigan have filed a lawsuit on behalf of a pregnant woman who miscarried and was denied appropriate medical treatment because the only hospital in her county is required to abide by religious directives. The directives, written by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, prohibited that hospital from complying with the applicable standard of care in this case.
    https://www.aclu.org/reproductive-fr...tholic-bishops
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    From the OP - Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.

    Now, tell us again who's telling obvious lies and who has a hard time believing the facts.

    Just because you crank it out, doesn't make it true.
    Why do you insist on sticking to a lie so obvious that even your buddy won't defend it?

    A Michigan woman is suing the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, claiming doctors at a Catholic-run hospital failed to provide appropriate care during her miscarriage

    Read more: Michigan woman sues Catholic health officials, claiming hospital failed to properly treat miscarriage* - NY Daily News
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No one said she went to the hospital for the purpose of getting an abortion but that doesn't change the fact that the woman is suing the hospital because of their no abortion policy supposedly putting her life at risk.

    Are your posts dense much?
    You said she is suing because they would not give her an abortion. Now you're changing you story to "because of their no abortion policy"

    SHe is suing because she didn't receive the proper care for her condition, which did not require an abortion
    A Michigan woman is suing the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, claiming doctors at a Catholic-run hospital failed to provide appropriate care during her miscarriage

    Read more: Michigan woman sues Catholic health officials, claiming hospital failed to properly treat miscarriage* - NY Daily News
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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