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Might be a delay getting your Big Mac today.

DA60 said:
Could?

Well of course they could.

And GM could sell Corvette's for $1. They would lose a pile...but they could do it.


The question is, could Mcdonald's do it without cutting into the profit margin for the goods they sell?

And the question to that is...no.

Revenue – Costs = Profit/ Loss

You cannot raise costs without raising revenue and still maintain previous profits...not possible.


And if you think McDonald's can cut profits, then you know little of stocks.

If McDonald's starts cutting it's profits quarter after quarter, it's stock will plummet.
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Obviously the only real solution is universal hamburger.
 
Mason66 said:
Why didn't you demand $30.00 per hour from your boss?
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I guess I should have. After all, they have the money, and from the points I see being made on the left, the fact that you have money is justification to take it from you, it doesn't seem to matter that you worked for it.

On the other hand, maybe it was smart of me to stay at the lower wage, since once I got the excessive pay, that would be reason enough to take it from me!
 
hjl1991 said:
However the one's that are worth it will get paid much better, not to mention your food service will also be much better. And believe me, there are plenty of workers in restaurants who deserve $15 an hour.
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It really doesn't matter what they "deserve", does it? All that really matters is what the job they are doing is worth. I don't think anyone would pay a Harvard MBA $150k a year to mow their lawn.
 
jmotivator said:
When you force an increase in the cost per employees you get fewer employees. The decisions on staffing are not made based on 40 years of inflation.

What we are seeing is something that is a lot like the elevator operator jobs of the early 1900s, when they went on strike suddenly their employers found the magic of automated elevators. When you force a new minimum wage you force companies to lay off people or slow hiring. The learn to make do with fewer employees. If 40 years later you raise the minimum wage again they will cut workers and/or hiring again because that is the budget.

Likewise take note that your example is correct at 45 years but not at 40 years. Why is it that $1.60 was worth so much less in 1973 than it was in 1968, just 5 years later? That is because inflation shot up in 1968. All the minimum wage increases of 1968 did was lead to more unemployed and higher costs for goods. Within 5 years the imaginary gains even for those who were still employed at minimum wage had been erased and the buying power of all Americans was diminished.



Nope, you employ static reasoning liberally and therefor miss the obvious give and take of an organic economy.
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The correlation isn't as good as you think.
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sawyerloggingon said:
Then you said this why?

"McDonald's actually could absorb that without raising prices one penny."
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...because they could? It's not like there's a magical barrier preventing McDonald's HQ from shouldering the additional cost instead of the individual franchises.
 
So lets say the basic worker on McD gets $15.00/hour. So how much are you going to raised the shift supervisor pay or the managers pay?

If you don't raise the pay by the % you raised the entry level worker, are you not saying to the shift supervisor you are not worth as much to the business as you use to be?

I understand some people who had better jobs and lost them have taken jobs at McD's to try at least to do something. I'll give them credit for that. By to lump those with high school kid with little to no work experience and pay them $15 is crazy.
 
jmotivator said:
I expect this time will be as ineffectual as the last time. In a pinch most fast food places can stay open just by pulling together their shift management staff.
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If front line managers don't get extra pay for working those extra hours, it won't be long before they join the strike.

McDonalds has been excluded from the list of "best employers" several times based upon the low pay that not only hourly workers make, but also the lower level management staff. It was my first managerial job, I was working as an assistant manager at McDonalds while completing my last few classes for my degree. Two weeks after I got my college diploma, I left for a higher paying job. Two years later I was making nearly double what I did at Micky D's, and working less hours doing it.
 
imagep said:
If front line managers don't get extra pay for working those extra hours, it won't be long before they join the strike.

McDonalds has been excluded from the list of "best employers" several times based upon the low pay that not only hourly workers make, but also the lower level management staff. It was my first managerial job, I was working as an assistant manager at McDonalds while completing my last few classes for my degree. Two weeks after I got my college diploma, I left for a higher paying job. Two years later I was making nearly double what I did at Micky D's, and working less hours doing it.
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Do you really believe individuals aspire to the entry level jobs, or simply use them as you did until there is a better one for which you qualify?
 
imagep said:
If front line managers don't get extra pay for working those extra hours, it won't be long before they join the strike.

McDonalds has been excluded from the list of "best employers" several times based upon the low pay that not only hourly workers make, but also the lower level management staff. It was my first managerial job, I was working as an assistant manager at McDonalds while completing my last few classes for my degree. Two weeks after I got my college diploma, I left for a higher paying job. Two years later I was making nearly double what I did at Micky D's, and working less hours doing it.
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Because you had a college degree.
 
Meh, I'll just eat at the Mom and Pop place down the road, food's better there anyway.
 
Goshin said:
Meh, I'll just eat at the Mom and Pop place down the road, food's better there anyway.
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The wife and me ate lunch at Golden Corral, 16 dollars for all you can eat and you have a huge choice to choose from. Lunch at McDonalds would ran me 14 dollars for two combos. McDonalds don't get my business.
 
Deuce said:
The correlation isn't as good as you think.
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Actually it shows my point quite nicely. See how the '68 wage hike precipitated an unemployment spike that ran all the way to 1983? Notice that the inflation that followed also effectively erased the gains in that time as well?

Really effective!
 
jmotivator said:
imagep said:
If front line managers don't get extra pay for working those extra hours, it won't be long before they join the strike.

McDonalds has been excluded from the list of "best employers" several times based upon the low pay that not only hourly workers make, but also the lower level management staff. It was my first managerial job, I was working as an assistant manager at McDonalds while completing my last few classes for my degree. Two weeks after I got my college diploma, I left for a higher paying job. Two years later I was making nearly double what I did at Micky D's, and working less hours doing it.
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Because you had a college degree.
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His real-life experience at McD's helped, too.
 
mike2810 said:
So lets say the basic worker on McD gets $15.00/hour. So how much are you going to raised the shift supervisor pay or the managers pay?

If you don't raise the pay by the % you raised the entry level worker, are you not saying to the shift supervisor you are not worth as much to the business as you use to be?

I understand some people who had better jobs and lost them have taken jobs at McD's to try at least to do something. I'll give them credit for that. By to lump those with high school kid with little to no work experience and pay them $15 is crazy.
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It probably doesn't need to be by the same %, just the same dollar amount.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Do you really believe individuals aspire to the entry level jobs, or simply use them as you did until there is a better one for which you qualify?
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Both. Lots of people are perfectly happy with an entry level job. We might not understand that, but I guess don't expect much out of life.

My argument for a higher minimum wage is more on the macroeconomic level than microeconomic level. I could care less what happens to slackers, thats their problem. But if increasing the minimum wage put more people to work, due to it increasing demand, I'm all for that. there would then be more opportunities for people who do aspire to reach a higher level. If some poor people end up with a better lifestyle because of it, then great, I'm glad for them and it doesn't harm me any.

A lot of times I get this feeling that some conservatives would prefer not to have more opportunity and more success, than to allow those below them to have a better lifestyle.
 
imagep said:
It probably doesn't need to be by the same %, just the same dollar amount.
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if I was a shift supervisor making 20% more an hour than the burger flipper. I would expect to maintain that percentage.
 
Imagine the prices of food at McDonalds if they did institute the $15 wage. There's just no winning this argument for both sides.

Perotista said:
The wife and me ate lunch at Golden Corral, 16 dollars for all you can eat and you have a huge choice to choose from. Lunch at McDonalds would ran me 14 dollars for two combos. McDonalds don't get my business.
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imagep said:
If front line managers don't get extra pay for working those extra hours, it won't be long before they join the strike.

McDonalds has been excluded from the list of "best employers" several times based upon the low pay that not only hourly workers make, but also the lower level management staff. It was my first managerial job, I was working as an assistant manager at McDonalds while completing my last few classes for my degree. Two weeks after I got my college diploma, I left for a higher paying job. Two years later I was making nearly double what I did at Micky D's, and working less hours doing it.
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After you left they probably promoted the next kid with seniority that could spell his own name correctly 3 out of 4 times with no more than 2 instructor assists. The fact of the matter is that while it is a great job as far as gateway jobs go, its a job that pretty much ANYONE can do...which is why it doesnt merit 15 dollars an hour.
 
Lukas105 said:
Imagine the prices of food at McDonalds if they did institute the $15 wage. There's just no winning this argument for both sides.
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Probably two or three percent higher for fast food. Other products would likely drop in cost due to increases in demand, increases in competition, and economy of scale.
 
Lukas105 said:
Imagine the prices of food at McDonalds if they did institute the $15 wage. There's just no winning this argument for both sides.
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If the MW was set at 15 dollars, there would be a lot of sticker shock going on. It is one thing to raise it a dollar or so which usually ends up being no big deal. But to almost double it, that probably would results in quite a lot of job loss due to price increases to cover the wages etc. I do not think this stands a snow ball chance in Hades of happening.
 
VanceMack said:
After you left they probably promoted the next kid with seniority that could spell his own name correctly 3 out of 4 times with no more than 2 instructor assists. The fact of the matter is that while it is a great job as far as gateway jobs go, its a job that pretty much ANYONE can do...which is why it doesnt merit 15 dollars an hour.
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When I worked for McDonalds, they really didn't promote crew people to management. All managers were hired from outside the company. It might be different now though.

Come to think of it, I've never worked for a company that promoted an hourly employee to a managerial job, but I'm sure it does occasionally happen. Should happen anyway.
 
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Perotista said:
If the MW was set at 15 dollars, there would be a lot of sticker shock going on. It is one thing to raise it a dollar or so which usually ends up being no big deal. But to almost double it, that probably would results in quite a lot of job loss due to price increases to cover the wages etc. I do not think this stands a snow ball chance in Hades of happening.
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It would probably have to be phased in over multiple years. I would think that a 10% increase per year until we either started seeing cost push inflation or a loss of job opportunities would be ample, at which time it should then be indexed to either inflation or the mean average wage (much like social security is).
 
imagep said:
It would probably have to be phased in over multiple years. I would think that a 10% increase per year until we either started seeing cost push inflation or a loss of job opportunities would be ample, at which time it should then be indexed to either inflation or the mean average wage (much like social security is).
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That would probably work without the sticker shock that would happen if it were to take place all at once. Not a bad idea.
 
mike2810 said:
So lets say the basic worker on McD gets $15.00/hour. So how much are you going to raised the shift supervisor pay or the managers pay?

If you don't raise the pay by the % you raised the entry level worker, are you not saying to the shift supervisor you are not worth as much to the business as you use to be?

I understand some people who had better jobs and lost them have taken jobs at McD's to try at least to do something. I'll give them credit for that. By to lump those with high school kid with little to no work experience and pay them $15 is crazy.
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"Other people are getting a raise, therefore I am worth less."

Really?

People think this way, and it's ridiculous. It's why you can give someone the option of getting a $10,000 raise and their neighbor gets a $20,000 raise, or just a $5,000 raise for themselves, and they'll pick the latter.
 
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