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    Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    "Peace for Our Time" as President Obama throws Japan under the bus and appeases China.

    Remember not to long ago when America was a "Super Power" ?

    >"Top Obama administration and Pentagon officials signaled a willingness to temporarily accept China's new, controversial air defense identification zone on Wednesday. Those officials expressed disapproval for the way in which the Asian power has flexed its muscles, and cautioned China not to implement the zone. But they also carved out wiggle room in which the United States and China ultimately could find common ground on the issue, indicating that they may be willing to live with the zone for now -- as long as China backs off its demand that all aircraft traveling through it check in first.

    "It wasn't the declaration of the ADIZ that actually was destabilizing," said Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, America's highest-ranking military officer. "It was their assertion that they would cause all aircraft entering the ADIZ to report regardless of whether they were intending to enter into the sovereign airspace of China. And that is destabilizing."

    That's a change from just a few days ago, when U.S. Vice President Joe Biden demanded that China take back its declaration of the zone. And it's another demonstration that China's recent decisions have forced the United States to tread carefully. On Wednesday, Biden met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing for more than five hours, according to a senior administration official. In brief public remarks midway through the marathon session, Biden didn't mention the air defense zone at all..."<
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    we just ignore our allies (Japan in this case), and negotiate over top of them; why in great Buddha's name would we even legitimitize ANYTHING about the ADIZ??

    I know there is oil behind this -the Senkakus How a Tiny Island Chain Explains the China-Japan Dispute - Matt Schiavenza - The Atlantic

    but come on.
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    Oh you guys and your misleading bull****. ...

    Seems the truth is China is giving on the one thing we wanted it to immediately and then talks will ensue..

    Top Obama administration and Pentagon officials signaled a willingness to temporarily accept China's new, controversial air defense identification zone on Wednesday. Those officials expressed disapproval for the way in which the Asian power has flexed its muscles, and cautioned China not to implement the zone. But they also carved out wiggle room in which the United States and China ultimately could find common ground on the issue, indicating that they may be willing to live with the zone for now -- as long as China backs off its demand that all aircraft traveling through it check in first.

    "It wasn't the declaration of the ADIZ that actually was destabilizing," said Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, America's highest-ranking military officer. "It was their assertion that they would cause all aircraft entering the ADIZ to report regardless of whether they were intending to enter into the sovereign airspace of China. And that is destabilizing."
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Oh you guys and your misleading bull****. ...

    Seems the truth is China is giving on the one thing we wanted it to immediately and then talks will ensue..
    The US is trying to placate the Chinese, but not legitimaize it (ADIZ)? Talk about "wiggle room"; yes it is, and it has a lot of reasons
    the old nationlaist feelings, the explosive growth of China.

    Still; this is kowtowing to Chinese military power, the ADIZ is a territorial grab at minimum, resource, and regional power struggle in larger venues.

    No reason at all -none - to legitimize it -especially over top the Japanese.
    Whom (some at least) wants to militarize again - this gives them a reason to do so.
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The US is trying to placate the Chinese, but not legitimaize it (ADIZ)? Talk about "wiggle room"; yes it is, and it has a lot of reasons
    the old nationlaist feelings, the explosive growth of China.

    Still; this is kowtowing to Chinese military power, the ADIZ is a territorial grab at minimum, resource, and regional power struggle in larger venues.

    No reason at all -none - to legitimize it -especially over top the Japanese.
    Whom (some at least) wants to militarize again - this gives them a reason to do so.
    Diplomacy is never bad. Sorry you think it is.
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Diplomacy is never bad. Sorry you think it is.
    The dead of WWII are calling, they beg to differ.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The dead of WWII are calling, they beg to differ.
    If I recall correctly it even started with diplomacy, the diplomacy simply didn't take. Being only one week and no diplomacy attempted yet, I don't think the analogy is at all valid. But you are prone to hysteria and hype.
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    If I recall correctly it even started with diplomacy, the diplomacy simply didn't take. Being only one week and no diplomacy attempted yet, I don't think the analogy is at all valid. But you are prone to hysteria and hype.
    Not in the least. Diplomacy is great if you have leverage. When you have nothing, you get walked all over. Obama's got a 5 year track record of getting walked all over.
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Perhaps owing China over $1 trillion, depending on their trade and their approval of any Iran/North Korea deal plays into this. Things are never as simple as they may appear.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    I always said Obama was Carter in black face. Carter gave away the Panama Canal and now Obama will give China these islands.

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