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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    If I recall correctly it even started with diplomacy, the diplomacy simply didn't take. Being only one week and no diplomacy attempted yet, I don't think the analogy is at all valid. But you are prone to hysteria and hype.
    I prefer Teddy Roosevelt's style of diplomacy: Speak softly and carry a big stick.

    Maybe you prefer Neville Chamberlain's.
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you are in the appeasement camp?
    Not sure what that means. I sure as **** don't want this to go to a war footing, does anyone? It's one thing to talk tough and another to bring the world to a fiery end. Somewhere in between would be my choice. Does that make me an appeaser? Or am I just being logical?

    Stability of the world's two largest economies seems like the path. I'm baffled why China is even behaving like this. I don't have enough details to make a decision. They never listen to me anyway.

    We'll know soon what the real implications are. Then, I will release a Proclamation.

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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    If you're going to bring in the color of Obama's face right on time sawyer, it's "half-black", not Black..
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I always said Obama was Carter in black face.
    Carter gave away the Panama Canal and now Obama will give China these islands.
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It sure would be nice to have an argument with China, cut off relations and drop that debt.
    That would do wonders for our credibility.

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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Though you tapped on me, this time I'll do the work for ya, but when I say not you, since you won't do it yourself..
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By all means, post your docs supporting the lie you've been peddling all week. Hmm?
    As we've seen all too well since October 1st in this latest exchange of rages,
    the GOP saying "you lie" and you saying it to me doesn't make it true..
    We're numb to the endless diatribe of lying charges over History as we all know it .
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    That would do wonders for our credibility.
    What credibility?
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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    That would do wonders for our credibility.
    It's a totalitarian regime.

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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps owing China over $1 trillion, depending on their trade and their approval of any Iran/North Korea deal plays into this. Things are never as simple as they may appear.
    Owing China money doesn't work to their advantage. The terms and interest are fixed. There's no bargaining chip because there's nothing to adjust.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Though you tapped on me, this time I'll do the work for ya, but when I say not you, since you won't do it yourself..

    As we've seen all too well since October 1st in this latest exchange of rages,
    the GOP saying "you lie" and you saying it to me doesn't make it true..
    We're numb to the endless diatribe of lying charges over History as we all know it .
    You can't support the lie. Color me surprised.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Too true.

    OTOH, we OWE them money and they might want it back.

    So, hopefully, this can be resolved without a nuclear war. It's not wise to fight with the big kids. ****, we can't even beat the Afghans who use muskets and have zero aircraft. Now, imagine fighting China.

    Japan threw us under the bus in WW2. So, I like them but not enough to die for.
    WTF are you talking about, Japan threw us under the bus in WW ll.

    The fuse for Second World War in the Pacific wat lit during the Teddy Roosevelt administration.

    China's agenda today is the same as Japan's during the first half of the 20th Century. To throw America out of the Western Pacific Rim.

    Just the other day on the Breaking News Forum there was a thread on the same topic, China's air defense zone over these Japanese islands.
    As I pointed out on one of my post, a few months ago Barack Obama got into a stare down with Valdemar Putin over Syria and Obama blinked.

    I then said Obama would get into a stare down with China. It seems Obama blinked again.

    Obama by acknowledging China's air defense zone over these Japanese islands is as same as acknowledging China's sovereignty over these islands.

    Wouldn't surprise me if China moves up it's time line of challenging the sovereignty over the Spartly and Parcel Islands in the South China Sea. China wasn't going to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea supposedly for another twenty years or so until they have at least four carriers and a large blue water navy.

    Now may be the time, America is no longer the Super Power we were four years ago. We can't project our military power as we were able to do four years ago. The Obama administration is more concerned with social engineering of our military with feminization of our military than having a military that can fight.

    Obama is a pantywaist.

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