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Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

Cephus said:
Sure. Mohammed was a pedophile and the Qu'ran isn't worth any more than the Bible. Both religions are absurd. I wouldn't use either as toilet paper because neither one is good enough for the job.
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I'll mark you down as "undecided". :mrgreen:
 
LowDown said:
Nope. Believers have all the proof they need. They don't care about other proof.
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That's usually the case with non-believers as well, and it applies to politics, sports, home towns and a lot of other issues.
 
Cardinal said:
Unless they are using a highly flexible definition of "history," then their use of that word is about as wrong as it gets.
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This from someone who probably reveres Zinn.

The Bible is all made up of stories from history. Whether you find the stories believable or not is immaterial, there are plenty of people who do.
 
jonny5 said:
It would be technically correct to label the Koran fiction, yes. I assume they wouldn't do it because they don't want their stores bombed.
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No, not technically correct. The book is not meant to be fiction. It is an insult to the author to label his non-fiction work fiction. You are claiming he's lying. The people who wrote those sacred texts believed they were recording the truth.
 
LowDown said:
This from someone who probably reveres Zinn.

The Bible is all made up of stories from history. Whether you find the stories believable or not is immaterial, there are plenty of people who do.
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Oh no, a guy putting every animal onto a boat and riding out a storm for forty days is totally believable.
 
LowDown said:
Nope. Believers have all the proof they need. They don't care about other proof.
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None of which changes the fact that they have no good reason to believe what they believe. People who believe that reptilian aliens are running the government have all the proof they need too. They're still crazy.
 
Grant said:
That nonsense should be labeled under 'Fiction' as well.
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Oh, the abortion subforum gets pretty crazy. There's a reason why most people avoid it like anthrax. I'd say that of all the subforums on DP the abortion one is the angriest.
 
Cardinal said:
Oh, the abortion subforum gets pretty crazy. There's a reason why most people avoid it like anthrax. I'd say that of all the subforums on DP the abortion one is the angriest.
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One reason I never step foot in there. The other is that most people in that forum are not open to reason, they are fanatical to the same degree as fundamentalist theists. It's not worthwhile to talk to any of them.
 
LowDown said:
Yes, and nonbelievers who try to interpret the Bible just make a mish-mash out of it. (And some believers do that as well.)

As I said, any apparent contradictions between scripture and the physical world are due to a lack of understanding.
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Well that is a very convenient worldview. ANy one who doubts what you want to believe is the one at fault. Unfortunately for you, in the real world, there is a word for things which do not match up with history and/or science. It is "fiction".
 
Redress said:
in the real world, there is a word for things which do not match up with history and/or science. It is "fiction".
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It seems that we can also decide what to believe in science and history. If there wasn't disagreement in those areas then this forum might not exist.
 
Grant said:
It seems that we can also decide what to believe in science and history. If there wasn't disagreement in those areas then this forum might not exist.
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No we can't. Something is either scientifically and historically documented and accurate or it is not. If you choose to reject something that has been demonstrated to be objectively true, you're just wrong.
 
Grant said:
It seems that we can also decide what to believe in science and history. If there wasn't disagreement in those areas then this forum might not exist.
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Do you know any scientists or historians who are claiming any evidence the Earth, and plant life, and day and night, all existed before the sun?
 
Cephus said:
No we can't. Something is either scientifically and historically documented and accurate or it is not. If you choose to reject something that has been demonstrated to be objectively true, you're just wrong.
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Scientists have held many false beliefs throughout the ages while history is seldom objective. Many different conclusions are drawn from the same event.
 
Redress said:
Do you know any scientists or historians who are claiming any evidence the Earth, and plant life, and day and night, all existed before the sun?
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Today, no. But that doesn't they once did or that their aren't many false beliefs out there now. Global warming would be one such example.
 
The ages began "when" for "real" scientists..
Most "real" scientists would say the 1500's and move on to something "real", like Science .
Grant said:
Scientists have held many false beliefs throughout the ages while history is seldom objective. Many different conclusions are drawn from the same event.
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NIMBY said:
right on cue with denying global warming--as a chemist, I usually don't bother--
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Nowhere did I deny global warming. The point was that some scientists believe it to be true and others don't. Some of them have to be wrong.

Please read and comprehend before responding.
 
The recent article I read was an apology b/c it was a mistake by one of their distributors!
 
Deuce said:
It is fiction. :shrug:

Look, I'm tired of people being all PC about this. Tiptoeing around the poor, persecuted Christians. As if they're made of glass and can't take anything that might be construed as negative about their religion.

It's not even negative. Look, Christians: there wasn't a guy who put two of every animal species on a boat during a global flood. The earth wasn't created in six days. The earth isn't flat. This is just reality. It's not an insult to your whole religion for me to say that. And you know what? Every Christian I've ever met is enough of an adult to hear me say that and not fall apart.
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I have to agree with most of this except for the PC part,

Christians are wrong about many things but right about being bashed a lot. It is in fact PC to say insulting and demeaning things about them, and I see no one tiptoeing around their feeling but quite the opposite.

For some reason they are the only religion that people can criticize, or make fun of, or insult. It is all the other faiths that get some sort of PC protection.

As for this whole minor controversy if I owned and ran the store I would probably be tempted to put the bible in the fiction category as well. The only thing stopping me would be good business sense if I knew many of my customers are christians. Make em happy and pretend it's an accurate book put it in the non fiction section and be done with it. In the end your just welcoming their dollars not their religion.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
Christians are wrong about many things but right about being bashed a lot. It is in fact PC to say insulting and demeaning things about them, and I see no one tiptoeing around their feeling but quite the opposite.For some reason they are the only religion that people can criticize, or make fun of, or insult. It is all the other faiths that get some sort of PC protection.
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Oddly enough it is often those who attack Christians who are the first to defend Muslims, despite frequently claiming not to be religious.

As for this whole minor controversy if I owned and ran the store I would probably be tempted to put the bible in the fiction category as well. The only thing stopping me would be good business sense if I knew many of my customers are christians. Make em happy and pretend it's an accurate book put it in the non fiction section and be done with it. In the end your just welcoming their dollars not their religion.
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If they don't have a Philosophy section they should establish one. Christians around the world are suffering a great deal more than this minor incidence but maybe they should be making their complaints heard more frequently.
 
apdst said:
Yes, a person named Jesus existed. Even the Muslims agree that Jesus existed.
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That isn't proof that he existed just evidence that they believe the same stories...
 
Soupnazi630 said:
For some reason they are the only religion that people can criticize, or make fun of, or insult. It is all the other faiths that get some sort of PC protection.
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Same thing goes with white people and race...
 
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