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Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

I never claimed the bible was not interesting, but any work is true except for the parts that are not true, and saying it is the only one to do something that others did as well is hardly a point in it's favor. From a historical and scientific standpoint, the bible has only a very tenuous connection with history, less than most historical novels.

And I never said it was the only one. I am simply pointing out that for a total guess the Genisis story in any of its forms is pretty astounding for 6000 years ago.
 
baseless conspiracy theories. They seem sincere, they just also know how to protect their interests from when Phelps was heavily involved in civil rights litigation

Oh, they're sincere in wanting to make money. They purposely get as close to the legal line as possible, upsetting as many people as possible so they can file lawsuit after lawsuit when someone steps over the line. That's how the whole Phelps clan works, that's why Fred got himself disbarred from the legal industry.
 
Scientific proof is irrelevant. Believers hold the Bible to be authoritative. If you mean to deliberately antagonize and insult those people then you will be deserving of the same sort of treatment.

It doesn't matter what believers believe, it only matters what they can prove and when it comes to proving much about the Bible, believers almost always fail miserably. There are people who believe that reptilian aliens are running the government too, but these people deserve to be insulted for having stupid beliefs, just like Christians and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and all the rest do. If you can't back up your claims, then your claims are foolish.
 
They have the right to label it any way they want -- and then they can face the consequences. Meanwhile, how about the Koran? You think that they'd label it "fiction"? Or "toilet paper"? They could hang a copy on a hook next to the toilet. Maybe it would be fun to insult people like that, you think?

Sure. Mohammed was a pedophile and the Qu'ran isn't worth any more than the Bible. Both religions are absurd. I wouldn't use either as toilet paper because neither one is good enough for the job.
 
And now when you think of "Christian" you think of a hateful sociopath picketing human tragedy.

Propaganda is truly a powerful tool.

People that use the 'media' to develop their framework of truth have always been manipulated.

Against the black, Jews, Christians, gays, etc.

Actually, I have yet to meet a single Christian, both on this forum and in real life, who believes that the Phelps are anything but the very worst that humanity has to offer.
 
For Christians it is an authoritative history. THE history.

Unless they are using a highly flexible definition of "history," then their use of that word is about as wrong as it gets.
 
Oh, they're sincere in wanting to make money. They purposely get as close to the legal line as possible, upsetting as many people as possible so they can file lawsuit after lawsuit when someone steps over the line. That's how the whole Phelps clan works, that's why Fred got himself disbarred from the legal industry.

meh, i think their just crazy fanatics who know how to protect their interests. The ideas about them being a lawsuit industry seem just a convenient means for dismissing them
 
It's not even about if you believe or not. At minimum simply recognize that people who believed in the Bible are the ones who started, built, and nurtured this country(I mean this in general terms) and Western Christiandom as a whole. At least recognize it's importance in history and the advancements in civilization that occurred under it's protection.
Instead somebody says said they wouldn't use it as toilet paper. Do you think that makes you look smart? It just tells me you don't know anything about history or probably much of anything else.
 
meh, i think their just crazy fanatics who know how to protect their interests. The ideas about them being a lawsuit industry seem just a convenient means for dismissing them

They're nuts, like most fundamentalists, but they aren't stupid nuts, they know how to make money, which is a good thing because I don't know if any of them are actually employed outside of the Westboro Baptist Church. Since they comprise almost the entirety of the Church, it's not like they're drawing in a lot of donations on Sundays.
 
They have the right to label it any way they want -- and then they can face the consequences. Meanwhile, how about the Koran? You think that they'd label it "fiction"? Or "toilet paper"? They could hang a copy on a hook next to the toilet. Maybe it would be fun to insult people like that, you think?

It would be technically correct to label the Koran fiction, yes. I assume they wouldn't do it because they don't want their stores bombed.
 
I've seen several atheists excitedly go in to debate the Phelps on the basis that they were ignorant of the actual content of the bible. They all lost those debates because the Phelps actually knew their bible surprisingly well. Where they (the atheists) keep going wrong is that the Phelps aren't ignorant...they're frigging nuts.

Oh, and speaking of WBC, they're picketing over Paul Walker's and Nelson Mandela's deaths, but that shouldn't be surprising by now.

I haven't seen Christians beat them in a debate either.
 
What if there isn't a religious section. Costco isn't a bookstore.

If you read the article you would see they in fact do have a religious section. And under your premise, since they aren't a bookstore, they would feel the need to label fiction and non-fiction and that would be it? If they aren't a bookstore, why not just label them books and be done with it?

Everything you are doing is trying to cause an issue instead of letting people live their lives. If they believe in a book how does that negatively or positively effect you? It doesn't. You are just trying to put your labels on them. Let people live their lives free from your judgment.
 
I haven't seen Christians beat them in a debate either.

Being crazy is the "okami code" of debate. Everyone's had that one nightmare neighbor that neither the landlord nor the police could do anything about because nobody had a contingency plan for their level of crazy.

In debate, it's like that one guy in the abortion forum who says that any woman who takes birth control should be strapped to a rocket and shot into outer space while all her family and friends are summarily executed. There's nothing you can really say to that.
 
In debate, it's like that one guy in the abortion forum who says that any woman who takes birth control should be strapped to a rocket and shot into outer space while all her family and friends are summarily executed. There's nothing you can really say to that.

That's because religion is a special kind of crazy where the normal rules don't apply. The guy above would be carted off by the men in white coats if he said that without claiming it was his religious views.
 
If you read the article you would see they in fact do have a religious section. And under your premise, since they aren't a bookstore, they would feel the need to label fiction and non-fiction and that would be it? If they aren't a bookstore, why not just label them books and be done with it?

Everything you are doing is trying to cause an issue instead of letting people live their lives. If they believe in a book how does that negatively or positively effect you? It doesn't. You are just trying to put your labels on them. Let people live their lives free from your judgment.

Books would work as well. Im not doing anything except defending the classification of a bible as fiction, as it logically is.
 
That's because religion is a special kind of crazy where the normal rules don't apply. The guy above would be carted off by the men in white coats if he said that without claiming it was his religious views.

You're liable to anger some Muslims with this kind of talk.
 
In debate, it's like that one guy in the abortion forum who says that any woman who takes birth control should be strapped to a rocket and shot into outer space while all her family and friends are summarily executed. There's nothing you can really say to that.

That nonsense should be labeled under 'Fiction' as well.
 
I never claimed any of that is untrue. However, if you where to read the bible you would discover it makes many more claims than just those.

Yes, and nonbelievers who try to interpret the Bible just make a mish-mash out of it. (And some believers do that as well.)

As I said, any apparent contradictions between scripture and the physical world are due to a lack of understanding.
 
It doesn't matter what believers believe, it only matters what they can prove and when it comes to proving much about the Bible, believers almost always fail miserably. There are people who believe that reptilian aliens are running the government too, but these people deserve to be insulted for having stupid beliefs, just like Christians and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and all the rest do. If you can't back up your claims, then your claims are foolish.

Nope. Believers have all the proof they need. They don't care about other proof.
 
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