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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Logically that is incoherent.
    It was considered fiction, is that better? It doesn't improve your performance with regard to the validity of the Bible one bit.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Logically that is incoherent.
    Actually, it's pretty coherent. Something can be considered fiction until scientific evidence for it is found. One good example of this are cryptids:

    List of cryptids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cryptids are animals alleged to exist without proof. Mermaids? They remain cryptids (myth).The Okapi? Animal proven to exist in Africa. Formerly a myth.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you understand how fallacies work? Here is how your fallacy currently works: Group X believes Y. Group Z also believes Y. Because both groups believe Y, the belief must be true and based on evidence. However, neither group provides evidence for Y other than a circular reasoning (i.e. it's true because we believe in it, we believe in it because it's true) and you're relying on an argumentum ad populum (that being: it's true because many people believe in it). All without ever providing a shred of tangible evidence. It has been a pleasure destroying your argument.
    Do you understand that the concesus among historians is that Jesus existed?

    Or, are they all wrong and some dude on the internet is right?

    Get back to us when you come up with a real argument.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand that the concesus among historians is that Jesus existed?
    This is the 4th time you rely on argumentum ad populum. Why do you do this to yourself?
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand that the concesus among historians is that Jesus existed?

    Or, are they all wrong and some dude on the internet is right?

    Get back to us when you come up with a real argument.
    Actually, that's not really the case. There may be a consensus among Christians who happen to be historians, but not among mainstream historians. Besides, it still doesn't matter because you're citing opinion instead of evidence. You must really get tired of stumbling into every logical fallacy in the book.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's nice, but all you're doing is relying on a combination of an ad populum/ad auctoritate. My thoughts on Jesus have always been the same:

    Guy going around claiming to be X.
    Was he X? No.
    Is there proof he was X? No.
    Has any group provided tangible evidence he was X? No.
    I'm agnostic and I really don't care, but serious people take the question seriously, so I respect their convictions.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, that's not really the case. There may be a consensus among Christians who happen to be historians, but not among mainstream historians. Besides, it still doesn't matter because you're citing opinion instead of evidence. You must really get tired of stumbling into every logical fallacy in the book.
    I would say there is little doubt a guy named Jesus existed that caused some issues for the Romans somewhere in the 1st century. However, I'm far more convinced that this guy didn't hold any of the mythical powers described in the bible. What are the odds of a Jewish preacher reaching the status of savior in Rome - the same place where far more popular religious preachers failed? Very slim.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm agnostic and I really don't care, but serious people take the question seriously, so I respect their convictions.
    Revere no true Scottsman? Well played You and apdst should form a team on who can spit out the most fallacies in 1 page.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, that's not really the case. There may be a consensus among Christians who happen to be historians, but not among mainstream historians. Besides, it still doesn't matter because you're citing opinion instead of evidence. You must really get tired of stumbling into every logical fallacy in the book.
    Le!s see your evidence that that's not the case
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Revere no true Scottsman? Well played You and apdst should form a team on who can spit out the most fallacies in 1 page.
    Sorry, but I found this post unintelligible.
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