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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

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    Given their history that would make some sense, but trusting them less than other groups is quite different from getting 'the short end of the stick".
    No, but I was pretty big in school.But Muslims are targeting and murdering non Muslims,. It's happening all over the world.
    Except that the distrust is completely unwarranted and leads a lot of people into believing they are free to be rude towards Arabs. I don't want to be blamed for murdering people anymore than some kid with Arabic heritage, who also was born in America. None of that has even the slightest to do with me or him.

    How about this: Japanese Americans during WWII were forced into prison camps, even though they had nothing to do with the war. Additionally anyone even remotely Asian looking was routinely distrusted and viewed with suspicion. Asians had to resort to wearing signs on their clothing declaring their heritage in order to stop being discriminated against.

    Was that fair to distrust and be rude towards the Japanese?
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yeah, the Roman empire existed, but we generally accept that the events in Gladiator are fiction.
    Was the film "Gladiator" categorized as a documentary? See the issue is about the label... if people don't label things correctly noses get out of joint. If the film industry categorized "Christmas Vacation" with Chevy Chase and the gang a documentary, there would be a bit of a kerfluffle.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think it's quite clear what I mean by made-up. Manmade, as in a means to control people through the idea of "If you don't follow our religion and do what we tell you, you will go to hell".
    An example always helps and yes, that is one of the earlier teachings, or the equivalent, of most religions.

    Every group of people, or tribe, has their religion and it is necessary to retain order in their communities. There had to be the idea of fear and reward in any culture which didn't have proper policing as we know it. How else could people control antisocial behavior apart from religion?

    I have spent a great deal of time in Latin America where the police, in many cases, were poorly trained, lazy, and incompetent. The only reasons stopping people from killing each other was the fear of God. Now we have the fear of DNA which may, or may not, be more effective.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I agree, and the movie Gladiator is considered fiction. So the bible is fiction then.
    If that's what you want to believe, fine.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, some can be fact and some can be fiction, however, that would label the book fiction then.

    If I write about Nazis with some factual things and then throw in space aliens, it is considered fiction.

    So then you agree the bible is fiction.
    I don't doubt that much of the Bible is fiction. But in your example parts would be true and other parts would be false. The part doesn't necessarily make the whole.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I agree, and the movie Gladiator is considered fiction. So the bible is fiction then.
    That's really putting 2 + 2 together!

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And no one said they where not free to believe anything they want. That does not make a book that is at odds with historical records, archeological findings, and basic science factual. Trying to suggest that the bible is the authority in those areas as you did is just silly.
    Please don't put words in my mouth. I said that the Bible is the authoritative history for Christians, or words to that effect. It is interpreted in light of experience, tradition, prayer, and what we know about other matters such as archeology, geology, etc. Again, where it appears to contradict what is known from science about the physical world it should probably not be interpreted literally, that's how most mainstream Christians see it. There is much else that is disregarded as not applying to the modern day. How that all shakes out is for believers to decide.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If that's what you want to believe, fine.
    It's not what I believe it's fact. If the bible isn't literal, than that means there are parts in there that are manmade or at the very least have manmade bias. Hence, why I call every organized religion manmade.

    I don't use manmade as an insult, I use it as an accurate description. It doesn't make it wrong to follow a manmade religion, following it is simply an act of faith. However, where I have a hard time with religion is where people say we HAVE to have this law BECAUSE the bible says so or the Koran says so, etc.

    My faith is also considered manmade as I believe it is the deeds of the person and the path a person takes, not a particular religion. What do I have to back up my faith? Nothing, however, I don't want to make laws to get you to follow my faith.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Please don't put words in my mouth. I said that the Bible is the authoritative history for Christians, or words to that effect. It is interpreted in light of experience, tradition, prayer, and what we know about other matters such as archeology, geology, etc. Again, where it appears to contradict what is known from science about the physical world it should probably not be interpreted literally, that's how most mainstream Christians see it. There is much else that is disregarded as not applying to the modern day. How that all shakes out is for believers to decide.
    Which does not make it an actual history.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't doubt that much of the Bible is fiction. But in your example parts would be true and other parts would be false. The part doesn't necessarily make the whole.
    It still makes it fiction. I'm not sure why people would take offense to a bible being called fiction. It cannot be proven to be 100% factual, therefore the label of fiction is correct.

    I mean if you label the Koran as non-fiction, the bible as non-fiction, and wiccan as non-fiction there is obviously something that is fictional.

    Its the Christians that are having a hard time with the bible being labeled as fiction and I'm pretty sure we would have riots in the streets in Muslim countries if the Koran was labeled fiction too. However, that doesn't make it any less so.

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