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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    How that is story is understood by believers differs. Most of them think of the story as an allegory. Immature Christians and atheists alike think it should be understood literally.
    Well to be fair, there are many Christians who take the bible LITERALLY as being fact. So yes, if you were to take literally that some guy made an ark to hold every animal two by two, yes it is quite hard to believe.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    In your opinon. In the meantime, they are a big majority of the people by far, so who is really thinking abnormally?
    The majority can, and often is, wrong. You're just engaging in argumentum ad populum. Try again.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Christians are the ones to interpret their own scriptures and beliefs for themselves. It would be presumptuous and disrespectful to say otherwise.
    I'm sorry, but that is simply silly. Christians seem to have NO problem intepreting Muslim scriptures and beliefs. Why is it Christians get upset when the same thing is done to them?

    Basically you are making the case for Christianity (and frankly many other religions like Islam, Judaism, etc) being a made up religion.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Christians are the ones to interpret their own scriptures and beliefs for themselves. It would be presumptuous and disrespectful to say otherwise.
    And no one said they where not free to believe anything they want. That does not make a book that is at odds with historical records, archeological findings, and basic science factual. Trying to suggest that the bible is the authority in those areas as you did is just silly.
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well to be fair, there are many Christians who take the bible LITERALLY as being fact. So yes, if you were to take literally that some guy made an ark to hold every animal two by two, yes it is quite hard to believe.
    How many Christians take the Bible literally? Are you talking of the O.T. or the N.T. ? Are you a Christian?

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If history dealt with facts there would be little debate on the subject. History deals with interpretations, highlighting some facts while ignoring others until all is seen through a glass darkly..
    Individuals make interpretations, history just deals with facts. It's why we can speak fairly confidently about the Roman Empire (really good record keeping) but are admittedly in the dark about much of the people who built Stonehenge. And it's because of that we view stories like The Iliad differently: because we know that there was actually a place that was Troy and that it sustained a prolonged siege by the Greeks over multiple years, resulting in it being razed to the ground. This would make the Iliad something almost approximating historical fiction since while 98% of the events in that story are pure mythology it's based on one thing that actually happened. Romulus and Remus being suckled by a she-wolf and going on to found Rome? Err...not so much.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is simply silly. Christians seem to have NO problem intepreting Muslim scriptures and beliefs. Why is it Christians get upset when the same thing is done to them?

    Basically you are making the case for Christianity (and frankly many other religions like Islam, Judaism, etc) being a made up religion.
    Everyone has the right to study and criticize and religion while others have the right to respond. (With the possible exception of Islam).

    How do you define a 'made-up' religion?

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How many Christians take the Bible literally? Are you talking of the O.T. or the N.T. ? Are you a Christian?
    I was Roman Catholic growing up until I realized that there is no way for the bible to be taken as factual. And if you cannot take the bible factually, then there can be other parts in there that are also not to be taken factually. Either the bible is fact or fiction. Take your pick.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Individuals make interpretations, history just deals with facts. It's why we can speak fairly confidently about the Roman Empire (really good record keeping) but are admittedly in the dark about much of the people who built Stonehenge. And it's because of that we view stories like The Iliad differently: because we know that there was actually a place that was Troy and that it sustained a prolonged siege by the Greeks over multiple years, resulting in it being razed to the ground. This would make the Iliad something almost approximating historical fiction since while 98% of the events in that story are pure mythology it's based on one thing that actually happened. Romulus and Remus being suckled by a she-wolf and going on to found Rome? Err...not so much.
    It seems we agree.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

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