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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Oddly enough it is often those who attack Christians who are the first to defend Muslims, despite frequently claiming not to be religious.
    Muslims are minorities in first world countries and often get the short end of the stick. If I were a secular atheist in the Islamic world, I'd be the first to defend Christians.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Muslims are minorities in first world countries and often get the short end of the stick. If I were a secular atheist in the Islamic world, I'd be the first to defend Christians.
    In fact it is Muslims who are targeting and murdering non Muslims in the democracies and of course in Muslims countries everyone but Muslim men are open to danger. Where are Muslims getting "the short end of the stick"?

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact it is Muslims who are targeting and murdering non Muslims in the democracies and of course in Muslims countries everyone but Muslim men are open to danger. Where are Muslims getting "the short end of the stick"?
    First, let me clarify. I am talking about the general population's attitudes or beliefs towards Muslims. Whether the general population has a favorable or unfavorable opinion towards a select group of people.

    Where are Muslims getting "the short end of the stick"? Almost everywhere in the Western world. However, since we're (I'm assuming) both American consider this poll conducted by Zogby on the behalf of an Arab heritage group. The poll asks Americans if they have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of religious and ethnic groups.

    The terms "Muslim" and "Arab" are dead last, meaning that Americans view these groups with the most suspicion and distrust out of anyone else.

    I'm certain you've had that experience where it seems like everyone turns on you (in a game or high school, let's say?), and begins to treat you poorly or ostracize you? Now imagine you're a Arab student in an American school after 9/11, where people are constantly saying that "those Muslims are targeting and murdering non-Muslims!" I'd call the distrust, dislike and suspicion that that little kid is now facing the "short end of the stick."
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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    First, let me clarify. I am talking about the general population's attitudes or beliefs towards Muslims. Whether the general population has a favorable or unfavorable opinion towards a select group of people. Where are Muslims getting "the short end of the stick"? Almost everywhere in the Western world. However, since we're (I'm assuming) both American consider this poll conducted by Zogby on the behalf of an Arab heritage group. The poll asks Americans if they have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of religious and ethnic groups.
    The terms "Muslim" and "Arab" are dead last, meaning that Americans view these groups with the most suspicion and distrust out of anyone else.
    Given their history that would make some sense, but trusting them less than other groups is quite different from getting 'the short end of the stick".
    I'm certain you've had that experience where it seems like everyone turns on you (in a game or high school, let's say?), and begins to treat you poorly or ostracize you?
    No, but I was pretty big in school.
    Now imagine you're a Arab student in an American school after 9/11, where people are constantly saying that "those Muslims are targeting and murdering non-Muslims!" I'd call the distrust, dislike and suspicion that that little kid is now facing the "short end of the stick."
    But Muslims are targeting and murdering non Muslims,. It's happening all over the world.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh no, a guy putting every animal onto a boat and riding out a storm for forty days is totally believable.
    How that is story is understood by believers differs. Most of them think of the story as an allegory. Immature Christians and atheists alike think it should be understood literally.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    None of which changes the fact that they have no good reason to believe what they believe. People who believe that reptilian aliens are running the government have all the proof they need too. They're still crazy.
    In your opinon. In the meantime, they are a big majority of the people by far, so who is really thinking abnormally?

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    How that is story is understood by believers differs. Most of them think of the story as an allegory. Immature Christians and atheists alike think it should be understood literally.


    Allegory, mythology and symbolism are the realm of art and storytelling. History deals with facts. Now, you could certainly use the bible as a historical device looking at its stories in terms of the cultural climate they were told in, but those stories cannot, certainly not by themselves, be considered historically accurate.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well that is a very convenient worldview. ANy one who doubts what you want to believe is the one at fault. Unfortunately for you, in the real world, there is a word for things which do not match up with history and/or science. It is "fiction".
    Christians are the ones to interpret their own scriptures and beliefs for themselves. It would be presumptuous and disrespectful to say otherwise.

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post

    Allegory, mythology and symbolism are the realm of art and storytelling. History deals with facts. Now, you could certainly use the bible as a historical device looking at its stories in terms of the cultural climate they were told in, but those stories cannot, certainly not by themselves, be considered historically accurate.
    If history dealt with facts there would be little debate on the subject. History deals with interpretations, highlighting some facts while ignoring others until all is seen through a glass darkly..

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    Re: Costco labels bibles "Fiction"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Christians are the ones to interpret their own scriptures and beliefs for themselves. It would be presumptuous and disrespectful to say otherwise.
    Excellent point. This is a criticism that seems to apply only to Christians.

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