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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Teens from Asian nations dominated a global exam given to 15-year-olds, while U.S. students showed little improvement and failed to reach the top 20 in math, science or reading, according to test results released Tuesday.

    American students scored below the international average in math and about average in science and reading
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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    So, if we pick the schools and filter out the underachievers, like China does, we will be #1!
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    It's been my observation that these "international" tests are rather meaningless in terms of what is needed by those who haven't met the grade. As the article points out, Shanghai's results are absurd to point of being meaningless.

    However, one thing is very certain, families in most Asian countries make education a prime objective for their children, a concept far removed in the average US family. No amount of money will every overcome that deficit.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's been my observation that these "international" tests are rather meaningless in terms of what is needed by those who haven't met the grade. As the article points out, Shanghai's results are absurd to point of being meaningless.

    However, one thing is very certain, families in most Asian countries make education a prime objective for their children, a concept far removed in the average US family. No amount of money will every overcome that deficit.
    as long as we have a dependent culture we wont. as long as an education is not a requirement to exist. not a requirement for food clothes and shelter some don't seam to see a need. hunger or the threat of going hungry is one of the biggest motivating factors in life if you take that threat away you take away motivation in many
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    So, if we pick the schools and filter out the underachievers, like China does, we will be #1!

    so what excuses are you going to give for the other 20 plus countries ahead of us
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post

    so what excuses are you going to give for they other 20 plus countries ahead of us
    None. Do these other countries put up with gangs, drugs and all of the other nonsense that we permit in our schools? How much do they spend on having a special police force simply to maintain order in their schools?
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    as long as we have a dependent culture we wont. as long as an education is not a requirement to exist. not a requirement for food clothes and shelter some don't seam to see a need. hunger or the threat of going hungry is one of the biggest motivating factors in life if you take that threat away you take away motivation in many
    Exactly. For example, here in Southern California, the Los Angeles Unified School District is so desperate to remove the impediment of parents in the "education" of the children, they provide year round meals, 7 days a week to students throughout the district.

    Here is an article from a local newspaper outlining the program.


    Free Food for Kids and Teens During the Summer

    The school year is over, but that doesn't mean children and teens should go hungry if they don't have food at home.

    The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), under its after-school program "Beyond the Bell," began offering a free breakfast and lunch program this week to all kids ages 1 to 18, regardless if they are LAUSD students or not.

    "Many of our students, who rely on school breakfast and lunch during the school year, cannot maintain that energy during the summer if they do not receive the proper nutrition. That's where we come in, by providing nutritious meals to keep kids nourished and healthy during the long summer months," said LAUSD Food Services Director David Binkle.

    More than 100 district schools offer the summer meal services program, which runs until Aug. 1. Among them are Arminta Elementary in North Hollywood, Broadous Elementary in Pacoima, Canoga Park Elementary in Canoga Park, O'Melveny and San Fernando Elementary in San Fernando, Van Nuys Middle School, Sun Valley Middle School and Sylmar High School.

    Gee, parents don't even have to worry about feeding their children any more. Add in the clothes program, and what the heck, parents are only needed to provide the DNA for future minions of the Progressive Machine. Well, in fairness, they are also needed as a means to coodinate state provided shelter for the future minions as well.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    None. Do these other countries put up with gangs, drugs and all of the other nonsense that we permit in our schools? How much do they spend on having a special police force simply to maintain order in their schools?
    In fact, the kids from the schools you refer know almost nothing. They're "graduating" at about a 4th-grade level. And yet, we throw as much or more money at those schools as anywhere else.

    Where Asia is superior is in their overall parenting, not their schools. There's a huge swath of kids in America that don't get five minutes of real parenting or discipline at home.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post

    Gee, parents don't even have to worry about feeding their children any more. Add in the clothes program, and what the heck, parents are only needed to provide the DNA for future minions of the Progressive Machine. Well, in fairness, they are also needed as a means to coodinate state provided shelter for the future minions as well.
    Wow. So, our schools have become little more than day care centers. No surprise that our collective educational level and scholastic success rates are declining. I think I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years to see what we have become.
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Wow. So, our schools have become little more than day care centers. No surprise that our collective educational level and scholastic success rates are declining. I think I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years to see what we have become.
    Yes, it would seem the plan here in the land of the Progressive Machine, is that schools are the family, and parents are just in the way.

    When one considers the union manpower required to fulfill all the programs the "rich" are required to pay for, the plan becomes quite clear.

    What we hear, is despite spending more per student than just about any school district in the country, including D.C., the answer to the almost 50% drop out rate is, surprise, more spending.

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