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Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

In all fairness, the UN changed the scoring methodology last year to give much more weight to Star Craft 2.
 
trfjr said:
then you must be for home schooling if you are trying to shift the blame onto the parents and if it is their responsibility then let them take the full responsibility
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Home schooling is fine.

Is there a reason you imply that's the only alternative?
 
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polgara said:
And here we are, on the other end of the scale, trying to reduce the dropout rates in our schools! If it wasn't so sad, it would be comical, because our kids sure know what free time is! I doubt the South Koreans give their children the Summer off from school! :doh:.
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No summers off. My son worked full time at the academy with a normal vacation period of a week or two, as would be expected of any job.
 
ocean515 said:
It's been my observation that these "international" tests are rather meaningless in terms of what is needed by those who haven't met the grade. As the article points out, Shanghai's results are absurd to point of being meaningless.

However, one thing is very certain, families in most Asian countries make education a prime objective for their children, a concept far removed in the average US family. No amount of money will every overcome that deficit.
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Add American Jews to that mix as well. How many Jewish people do you know on welfare? There's a reason for that. But you're right, the problem isn't money, it the emphasis on education by American families. We let the schools do what they please, and we are also now allowing them to raise our children with their (government) values as well. Additionally, we tell our kids that they can all be great mathematicians or scientists, or engineers, but the truth is that they all can't. Right now we have a massive shortage in skilled labor in this country but the education system isn't addressing it at all. People looking for work need to change their focus and learn how to do something else.

Tim-
 
ocean515 said:
Clearly, if you lived in Los Angeles, you wouldn't be so burdened.
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LA dwellers dont have any of their tax$ go towards school food programs or after hours programs? Not even at the state level?

Good for them!
 
This is what happens when you wage war on teachers and education.
 
Lursa said:
LA dwellers dont have any of their tax$ go towards school food programs or after hours programs? Not even at the state level?

Good for them!
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Many of them don't have a tax burden, so yes, they don't have taxes going towards school food programs or after hours programs.
 
trfjr said:
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Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
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I'd make two points:

1. The actual dollar value spent on a child is less relevant than the percentage of GDP spent on education, in my view - I think the numbers would be much closer if that analysis was done - US would still be high, but not unreasonably so in comparison to Canada, as an example.

2. The testing results by country are deceiving, in my view, because Singapore, as an example, which rates highly, is small and very homogenized and much more easily standardized in the education children receive. The US and Canada, as examples, are vast nations in comparison, with multiple cultures, language, economic circumstances in both individual and state/provincial wealth. We have dozens of first languages spoken in our homes, particularly with increased immigration, and the levels of understanding of English are gaping. Also, when I look at the results for Canada, which rate fairly high, several of our individual provinces do much better than the country's average so I'm sure pockets of the US would have similar above and/or below averages compared to the country as a whole.
 
ocean515 said:
Many of them don't have a tax burden, so yes, they don't have taxes going towards school food programs or after hours programs.
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Many people in LA dont pay state taxes? Sales tax? Property taxes?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
So, if we pick the schools and filter out the underachievers, like China does, we will be #1! ;)
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Teachers union officials need to be brought to justice for the damage they've caused the US educational system. Nothing less than prison will do.
 
American said:
Teachers union officials need to be brought to justice for the damage they've caused the US educational system. Nothing less than prison will do.
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The teacher's unions simply enjoy the power granted to them by the gov't; the ability to contribute to the campaign of those that they negotiate with, taken from the checks written by those that they negotiate with but bearing the names of those that they represent. It is a wonderful, closed loop, system, totally funded by tax money, that may only be interrupted with elections of new public representatives, in hopes that they will actually care about the best interest of the public more than the massive campaign donations offered by the teacher's union.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, it would seem the plan here in the land of the Progressive Machine, is that schools are the family, and parents are just in the way.

When one considers the union manpower required to fulfill all the programs the "rich" are required to pay for, the plan becomes quite clear.

What we hear, is despite spending more per student than just about any school district in the country, including D.C., the answer to the almost 50% drop out rate is, surprise, more spending.
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Many kids know where their bread is buttered, from government cheese. Those in our growing entitlement culture have little motivation to succeed, which is learned from parent behavior.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1062624235 said:
Many kids know where their bread is buttered, from government cheese. Those in our growing entitlement culture have little motivation to succeed, which is learned from parent behavior.
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****ing BINGO!!!!!
 
Anomalism said:
This is what happens when you wage war on teachers and education.
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I'm curious how you define this "war," and what the solution is.

I can garner a guess the latter involves more $.
 
American said:
Teachers union officials need to be brought to justice for the damage they've caused the US educational system. Nothing less than prison will do.
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That's the Department of Education and the way we fund our public schools.
 
Ikari said:
That's the Department of Education and the way we fund our public schools.
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Most funding comes from the state.
 
ocean515 said:
Exactly. For example, here in Southern California, the Los Angeles Unified School District is so desperate to remove the impediment of parents in the "education" of the children, they provide year round meals, 7 days a week to students throughout the district.

Here is an article from a local newspaper outlining the program.


Free Food for Kids and Teens During the Summer

The school year is over, but that doesn't mean children and teens should go hungry if they don't have food at home.

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), under its after-school program "Beyond the Bell," began offering a free breakfast and lunch program this week to all kids ages 1 to 18, regardless if they are LAUSD students or not.

"Many of our students, who rely on school breakfast and lunch during the school year, cannot maintain that energy during the summer if they do not receive the proper nutrition. That's where we come in, by providing nutritious meals to keep kids nourished and healthy during the long summer months," said LAUSD Food Services Director David Binkle.

More than 100 district schools offer the summer meal services program, which runs until Aug. 1. Among them are Arminta Elementary in North Hollywood, Broadous Elementary in Pacoima, Canoga Park Elementary in Canoga Park, O'Melveny and San Fernando Elementary in San Fernando, Van Nuys Middle School, Sun Valley Middle School and Sylmar High School.​

Gee, parents don't even have to worry about feeding their children any more. Add in the clothes program, and what the heck, parents are only needed to provide the DNA for future minions of the Progressive Machine. Well, in fairness, they are also needed as a means to coodinate state provided shelter for the future minions as well.
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True, and they spend 16K per year on each pupil. Its not a money thing-Utah for years was near the top nationally with very little spent per pupil.
Liberals can't explain it, and unions oppose any competition that might improve things. Gotta love CA's special interest groups.
 
ocean515 said:
Exactly. For example, here in Southern California, the Los Angeles Unified School District is so desperate to remove the impediment of parents in the "education" of the children, they provide year round meals, 7 days a week to students throughout the district.

Here is an article from a local newspaper outlining the program.


Free Food for Kids and Teens During the Summer

The school year is over, but that doesn't mean children and teens should go hungry if they don't have food at home.

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), under its after-school program "Beyond the Bell," began offering a free breakfast and lunch program this week to all kids ages 1 to 18, regardless if they are LAUSD students or not.

"Many of our students, who rely on school breakfast and lunch during the school year, cannot maintain that energy during the summer if they do not receive the proper nutrition. That's where we come in, by providing nutritious meals to keep kids nourished and healthy during the long summer months," said LAUSD Food Services Director David Binkle.

More than 100 district schools offer the summer meal services program, which runs until Aug. 1. Among them are Arminta Elementary in North Hollywood, Broadous Elementary in Pacoima, Canoga Park Elementary in Canoga Park, O'Melveny and San Fernando Elementary in San Fernando, Van Nuys Middle School, Sun Valley Middle School and Sylmar High School.​

Gee, parents don't even have to worry about feeding their children any more. Add in the clothes program, and what the heck, parents are only needed to provide the DNA for future minions of the Progressive Machine. Well, in fairness, they are also needed as a means to coodinate state provided shelter for the future minions as well.
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So giving food to hungry children is a bad thing?
 
One has to only look at this thread to see why US education is failing.
 
trfjr said:
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Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
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Somebody make the case to me why it even matters where we're ranked?

Some people are going to sweep floors, cook burgers, and so forth. Not everyone is going to be a rocket scientist.

I'm actually quite happy knowing the best universities in the world are in the United States.
 
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