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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yes, we need to pay teachers more, but we also need to hire a much higher grade of teachers in general. There are a bunch of high school teachers in America that have no business teaching anything.

    And we MUST get the political BS out of academia, especially at the collegiate level. College has become more of an indoctrination clinic than an arena for advanced learning.
    Teachers could be paid more if we could get rid of the bad ones and let the new ones start low and work their way up in wages just like in the real world.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    There is something ass jack backwards about our society where some dude gets paid millions to throw a football. Yet Paramedics, Firefighters and Teachers in comparison make crap money. Our priorities and what we place value on is skewed.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    The difference is other countries the kids GET to go to school. Here is the united state of stupids the morons HAVE to go to school. American kids dress like losers so they become losers. Everything is sports and who is dating who, who has the best electronic crap and who is pregnant by whom. Look back at movies from the early days of film like the 1930s and see even back then school and education was viewed as for bookworms only. Sad but true and this has not changed.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    There is something ass jack backwards about our society where some dude gets paid millions to throw a football. Yet Paramedics, Firefighters and Teachers in comparison make crap money. Our priorities and what we place value on is skewed.
    That's not what money is. It is not a reward. It is purely and only a reflection of rarity and demand.

    That dude that throws the football CREATES far more money than he is paid because he's one of a very select few capable of doing what he does. Just like a brain surgeon or Bill Gates in that there just isn't many of him. Not so with American History teachers or firefighters. There are plenty of those, so they're a dime a dozen.

    The real shame is the money paid to Hollywood actors. There are LOTS of good actors in the world; it's based largely on luck and politics as to who gets to be the "stars" and who waits tables and plays bit roles.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    The difference is other countries the kids GET to go to school. Here is the united state of stupids the morons HAVE to go to school. American kids dress like losers so they become losers. Everything is sports and who is dating who, who has the best electronic crap and who is pregnant by whom. Look back at movies from the early days of film like the 1930s and see even back then school and education was viewed as for bookworms only. Sad but true and this has not changed.
    And again, this all relates back to parenting. And until a certain political party starts being honest about this, the fallback excuses and diversions will never allow this to change.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That's not what money is. It is not a reward. It is purely and only a reflection of rarity and demand.

    That dude that throws the football CREATES far more money than he is paid because he's one of a very select few capable of doing what he does. Just like a brain surgeon or Bill Gates in that there just isn't many of him. Not so with American History teachers or firefighters. There are plenty of those, so they're a dime a dozen.

    The real shame is the money paid to Hollywood actors. There are LOTS of good actors in the world; it's based largely on luck and politics as to who gets to be the "stars" and who waits tables and plays bit roles.
    Very bizarre way to look at a profession of individuals who puts their lives on the line to save others. People who will risk their lives running into burning buildings are not a dime a dozen.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    Stop putting all the blame on the teachers and put alot more on the parents.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Exactly. For example, here in Southern California, the Los Angeles Unified School District is so desperate to remove the impediment of parents in the "education" of the children, they provide year round meals, 7 days a week to students throughout the district.

    Here is an article from a local newspaper outlining the program.


    Free Food for Kids and Teens During the Summer

    [INDENT]The school year is over, but that doesn't mean children and teens should go hungry if they don't have food at home.


    Gee, parents don't even have to worry about feeding their children any more. Add in the clothes program, and what the heck, parents are only needed to provide the DNA for future minions of the Progressive Machine. Well, in fairness, they are also needed as a means to coodinate state provided shelter for the future minions as well.
    No,but I have to pay to feed and babysit their kids.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Stop putting all the blame on the teachers and put alot more on the parents.
    then you must be for home schooling if you are trying to shift the blame onto the parents and if it is their responsibility then let them take the full responsibility

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    Yes, but US catches up after college. And not only that, your choices for college are not determined midway through elementary school as in many of the competitive asian countries like Japan. So more open University system, US students catch up to the world after a 4 year college education.

    There's plenty to do to improve our lower education levels. But ending teacher's unions and punishing teachers when we already cannot find enough to teach isn't really going to help.
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