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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    In fact, the kids from the schools you refer know almost nothing. They're "graduating" at about a 4th-grade level. And yet, we throw as much or more money at those schools as anywhere else.

    Where Asia is superior is in their overall parenting, not their schools. There's a huge swath of kids in America that don't get five minutes of real parenting or discipline at home.
    This discipline problem is not limited to just a few schools. It only takes 3 or 4 morons to disrupt the entire class and with our "rights" it is difficult to expel anyone, short of a felony. If a school district naturally lacks these morons then they are often bused in, making it even harder to "target" them. We must maintain "diversity" at all costs.

    Student diversity through busing: Not as easy as it sounded - CSMonitor.com
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    I don't know all about that. But I do know we have dumbed down our curriculum. I graduated from High School in the very early 60's and I found out once my youngest daughter went to college, much of what she was learning in the her freshman and sophomore years in college, I learned back in my high school days. We as a country I think are teaching down to the lowest student rather than trying to teach up to the best. This is why other countries have over taken us.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    In fact, the kids from the schools you refer know almost nothing. They're "graduating" at about a 4th-grade level. And yet, we throw as much or more money at those schools as anywhere else.

    Where Asia is superior is in their overall parenting, not their schools. There's a huge swath of kids in America that don't get five minutes of real parenting or discipline at home.
    Very accurate assessement.

    My son spent a year in South Korea teaching English in a private "after school" academy. The entire focus of the family, and for that matter South Korean society, is on education in preparation for the College entrance exams giving at the end of High School. Kids go to school 6 days a week, and according to my son, they typically attend class from 8am to around 8pm, with breaks for lunch and dinner. This is for kids 8 years old and beyond.

    On the down side, these kids have very little imagination, again according to my son. Apparently the focus on precise answers year after year, removes much thought in the abstract.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Where are the liberal apologists for the failed status quo?

    This is boring hearing nothing but common sense.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know all about that. But I do know we have dumbed down our curriculum. I graduated from High School in the very early 60's and I found out once my youngest daughter went to college, much of what she was learning in the her freshman and sophomore years in college, I learned back in my high school days. We as a country I think are teaching down to the lowest student rather than trying to teach up to the best. This is why other countries have over taken us.
    this is what affirmative action and PC has gotten us

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Where are the liberal apologists for the failed status quo?

    This is boring hearing nothing but common sense.
    with liberals its all about the intention it is never about the results

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's been my observation that these "international" tests are rather meaningless in terms of what is needed by those who haven't met the grade. As the article points out, Shanghai's results are absurd to point of being meaningless.

    However, one thing is very certain, families in most Asian countries make education a prime objective for their children, a concept far removed in the average US family. No amount of money will every overcome that deficit.
    there is a reason why Cornell Engineering has tons of Asian kids and Harvard Law is far more than 2% Jewish



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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Very accurate assessement.

    My son spent a year in South Korea teaching English in a private "after school" academy. The entire focus of the family, and for that matter South Korean society, is on education in preparation for the College entrance exams giving at the end of High School. Kids go to school 6 days a week, and according to my son, they typically attend class from 8am to around 8pm, with breaks for lunch and dinner. This is for kids 8 years old and beyond.

    On the down side, these kids have very little imagination, again according to my son. Apparently the focus on precise answers year after year, removes much thought in the abstract.
    12 hours a day, six days a week, of schooling, seems so unfair to those children, who never get a chance to be children! I don't blame the parents, who are aware of the intense competition their child faces, but surely something better could be tried. Ironically, I just read an article the other day where women are turning down marriage proposals simply because the man does not make enough money, and it's an accepted practice! Apparently, even their adulthood is affected. I don't recall if this was in South Korea, though..

    Greetings, ocean515.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know all about that. But I do know we have dumbed down our curriculum. I graduated from High School in the very early 60's and I found out once my youngest daughter went to college, much of what she was learning in the her freshman and sophomore years in college, I learned back in my high school days. We as a country I think are teaching down to the lowest student rather than trying to teach up to the best. This is why other countries have over taken us.
    That is the difference between no child left behind, and no behind left unmarked on an unruly child.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the difference between no child left behind, and no behind left unmarked on an unruly child.
    That is a very good point.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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