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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    In America we've chosen to place the best interests of those in the education profession ahead of the best interests of students. That's not to say we don't try to do the very best we can for students because we do, but all within a framework where "the system" comes first. After its own preeminence, its primary unwritten mission is to serve the profession then through and only through the system are the students' best interests pursued. For example, typically the system promotes one of the best ways to improve student achievement is by strengthening the system by giving it more money to increase the compensation of the education profession.
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children
    Just my opinion. I don't have a problem with teachers unions. I don't have a problem with paying teachers well. I just want students to come first.

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector
    Maybe. I think some consideration needs to be made for teachers who are assigned to students who don't want to learn, are ill equipped to do as well as other students, come from less than ideal home environments, etc. None of these things are the teachers' faults and they shouldn't be penalized in my opinion because they teach students who's parents can afford cultural and educational enrichment, in-home technology that would help in educations, etc. Likewise, I don't think a teacher has done anything special just because they got to teach students from intact, affluent homes where them parents all have college degrees.

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
    Agree completely! Plus all kinds of creative educational options will start springing up. Night school to match schedules for kids who's parents work odd hours. More international exchange options even inexpensively via something like Skype, partnerships with universities, partnerships with industry, etc. I just think we need to have certain safeguards to prevent segregation, schools are all accredited or are pursuing accreditation while students meet or exceed benchmarks in standardized testing.
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    Not sure but I have always said that all these stats about "good education systems" are bunk. Anybody who wants to learn and values education will learn and succeed. There is no system that is really better than another.
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    I see those that attack the US system as having an agenda... especially if they are attacking teachers.
    Without family values and support to succeed - even the brightest will struggle.

    One student I am working with has parents who laugh at her ambitions whenever she's done well if I talk to her about going off to University. 95% of my pastoral support tutorials with her are about rebuilding her confidence. She'll pass this year but whether she stays on and passes the final year to go to University will be down to her parent's attitudes and support.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Without family values and support to succeed - even the brightest will struggle.

    One student I am working with has parents who laugh at her ambitions whenever she's done well if I talk to her about going off to University. 95% of my pastoral support tutorials with her are about rebuilding her confidence. She'll pass this year but whether she stays on and passes the final year to go to University will be down to her parent's attitudes and support.
    This is an incredible story! Have you asked her parent's why they treat her like this and will they accept counseling? Can she be removed from the environment?

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    This is an incredible story! Have you asked her parent's why they treat her like this and will they accept counseling? Can she be removed from the environment?
    I can't be blunt with them I'm afraid - the only thing I can do is work with her to keep her confidence and ambitions up. her parents are farmers and we are up in the North where a lot of women still end up living gender assigned / defined lives.

    It is frustrating at times but I have to work with them and her, if she goes on to be more than just someone's wife on a farm here then I will have achieved something.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    This is an incredible story! Have you asked her parent's why they treat her like this and will they accept counseling? Can she be removed from the environment?
    There's a girl my family knows about who has virtually no relationship with her dad and lives with her mom. The dad's mother gives her spending money. The mother tells her she may not eat any food in the fridge she doesn't buy herself. She's banned from using the family's Internet WIFI connection even to study and do homework. She lives there but her mother does not allow her in the house between 8am and 6pm weekdays when she's at work under threat of being kicked out of the home. She's 18 and just started her freshman year at a local state college. Being 18 keeps the mother out of legal trouble. With a complete lack of family support, I'm surprised she's in college.
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

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    You are right, and thus an employees wages are based on the allocation of limited resources, which at that point morals of an employer determine a lot.

    My wife is in accounting school currently. After that, I plan on going back to school, but obviously my situation has constraints. I have taken a business class as well as a business ethics class and an accounting class. I have 54 credits through Penn State, but after switching my major a bunch and going through a pot smoking phase, I dropped out (my GPA remains around a 3.3). But, just like anything else, I have to make a long series of good choices if I ever wish to get back into school and further, I have to make far better choices than I previously did if I ever get back into school.
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Without family values and support to succeed - even the brightest will struggle.

    One student I am working with has parents who laugh at her ambitions whenever she's done well if I talk to her about going off to University. 95% of my pastoral support tutorials with her are about rebuilding her confidence. She'll pass this year but whether she stays on and passes the final year to go to University will be down to her parent's attitudes and support.
    Agreed but that isn't very many. Generally the correlation exists between those that care will succeed and those that don't... won't.

    I go to houses to get kids in for exams and as you are probably aware... most of those that are pastoral night mares have a nightmarish home life.
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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I can't be blunt with them I'm afraid - the only thing I can do is work with her to keep her confidence and ambitions up. her parents are farmers and we are up in the North where a lot of women still end up living gender assigned / defined lives.

    It is frustrating at times but I have to work with them and her, if she goes on to be more than just someone's wife on a farm here then I will have achieved something.
    I worked within the School system in Central America and found the same thing. Some very bright girls were destined to spend the rest of their lives doing menial farm work rather than being allowed to reach their human potential. It is an international problem with many being trapped in ancient customs, girls and boys.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    You already have your foot in the door. Become an engineer, go to engineer school.
    What kind of engineer?

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