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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why do they deserve this? How can anyone decide what people deserve?
    If we can provide it, why wouldn't we? We produce something like 2-3 times the amount of food consumed in this country, yet not everyone can afford to buy it?

    I should rephrase what I said. I don't want to use the word deserve, because no one deserves anything, but I'd call upon the have's to have a heart and help the have not's to fulfill the dreams our fathers lived and died for over the last several thousand years. Our country desperately needs morals.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    If we can provide it, why wouldn't we? We produce something like 2-3 times the amount of food consumed in this country, yet not everyone can afford to buy it?

    I should rephrase what I said. I don't want to use the word deserve, because no one deserves anything, but I'd call upon the have's to have a heart and help the have not's to fulfill the dreams our fathers lived and died for over the last several thousand years. Our country desperately needs morals.
    I doubt that people lived and died for the last several thousand years in order to have welfare and food stamps.

    What people did fight and die for was freedom, and dependence on government handouts is the antithesis of that.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt that people lived and died for the last several thousand years in order to have welfare and food stamps.

    What people did fight and die for was freedom, and dependence on government handouts is the antithesis of that.
    Not speaking of those talking points, it has been Christian belief (which has dominated the globe for a thousand years), as well as Muslim belief, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. that have all advocated helping those in a lower position than ourselves. I wish food stamps didn't have to exist, but they exist to benefit the farmer just as much as the individual who doesn't get paid enough to afford to eat. I'm all for helping someone eat and have a home to sleep in. I'm not saying we hand out free ipads or videogame systems.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    I'm not deciding what anyone gets paid. I'm just saying people deserve to be able to pay for an apartment, utilities, food, insurance, and set aside some money on a minimum wage job. Who am I to decide what people get paid? Who are you to determine people don't deserve to get paid? How can we pay someone thousands of times the current minimum wage but then scoff at people who can't find a job with a decent wage? It is unacceptable in today's world. We have ten times the wealth our fathers had (and most of it our fathers made, not us), yet we still refuse to cover basic needs across the board.
    I dont decide what people get paid-THEY do, when they make it worth the costs to their employer. Thats how this works.

    You appear to have misunderstanding of the fact that people work hardest for themselves. If someone wants to obtain the skills needed to make the money for an apartment, utilities, food, insurance, and a savings account more power to them-BUT IT IS NOT A GIVEN. You have to work for it.

    You might think you are helping people by accepting mediocrity and subsidizing failure, via an entitlement society. Look where that road leads.


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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    Not speaking of those talking points, it has been Christian belief (which has dominated the globe for a thousand years), as well as Muslim belief, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. that have all advocated helping those in a lower position than ourselves. I wish food stamps didn't have to exist, but they exist to benefit the farmer just as much as the individual who doesn't get paid enough to afford to eat. I'm all for helping someone eat and have a home to sleep in. I'm not saying we hand out free ipads or videogame systems.
    I'm all for helping others as well but having the government do what we as people should do is not part of any religion. It robs us of our humanity and we become irresponsible and thoughtless as a consequence.

    I have lived in really poor countries, btw, and most Americans are not poor, except in spirit.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont decide what people get paid-THEY do, when they make it worth the costs to their employer. Thats how this works.

    You appear to have misunderstanding of the fact that people work hardest for themselves. If someone wants to obtain the skills needed to make the money for an apartment, utilities, food, insurance, and a savings account more power to them-BUT IT IS NOT A GIVEN. You have to work for it.

    You might think you are helping people by accepting mediocrity and subsidizing failure, via an entitlement society. Look where that road leads.

    I'd be careful using satire to ever make a point. John Stewart and Colbert will eat you alive with that kind of logic.

    I'd also be careful living in a fantasy land where employers are always being fair and charitable and always rewarding those who work hard. Why do you think they do? Some do, many do, but many also care more about buying their million dollar home than making sure their employees can afford a $500/month rent.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm all for helping others as well but having the government do what we as people should do is not part of any religion. It robs us of our humanity and we become irresponsible and thoughtless as a consequence.

    I have lived in really poor countries, btw, and most Americans are not poor, except in spirit.
    Having the government take on any role is a new development in history, so it's hard to determine what religion would say. I'd say any policy that helps humanity in ways that God intended is a good course, and I only think it robs you of your humanity if you envy those that get some help because of their position.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    Having the government take on any role is a new development in history, so it's hard to determine what religion would say. I'd say any policy that helps humanity in ways that God intended is a good course, and I only think it robs you of your humanity if you envy those that get some help because of their position.
    I certainly don't envy those on food stamps or welfare. In fact I take great pleasure in being free of all of that and have some pride in the fact that, like many, was born poor but have enjoyed some success in life. Dependency on welfare would have robbed me of my freedom, and life as well.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    I'd be careful using satire to ever make a point. John Stewart and Colbert will eat you alive with that kind of logic.

    I'd also be careful living in a fantasy land where employers are always being fair and charitable and always rewarding those who work hard. Why do you think they do? Some do, many do, but many also care more about buying their million dollar home than making sure their employees can afford a $500/month rent.
    Apparently you think that Jon Stewart and Colbert are anything but entertainers. I dont get my news or base any opinion on the Colbert report. Ive got to say, from life experience those that do are a bit behind the curve.

    Employers are required to be fair-in that they must comply with laws and hold people accountable for their skills and performance-but an unskilled worker is earning what he is worth-minimum wage. Charity? Now you are being silly, its not a manager of a branch of a business to be "charitable" by whatever arbitrary and emotion fueled definition you might offer. People aren't earning minimum wage because they are being screwed over by their manager. The turnover at say McDonalds is over 100% a year-because they quickly learn the skills to transition into another job. Its not because the managers are evil at mcdonalds.

    Besides-its not that managers job to GIVE his paycheck to others as charity.

    How much do you earn? Why aren't you giving it to the local homeless?

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I certainly don't envy those on food stamps or welfare. In fact I take great pleasure in being free of all of that and have some pride in the fact that, like many, was born poor but have enjoyed some success in life. Dependency on welfare would have robbed me of my freedom, and life as well.
    I find myself lucky not to be on food stamps, as I know many of my family members that have literally no other choice in spite of being hard workers... there just are very few decent jobs where I live. I don't take pride on being lucky. I thank God, and then I thank him again that he feeds my cousins and sisters.

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