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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Your fatalistic view on success is very clear-the irony is the US is one of the few places on earth where anyone can succeed-its true and the people hopping over border walls and floating over know this. I have found that some liberals are so conditioned to think the US is a bad place (almost a pavlovian response) that they forget how much better this place is.

    On to professional sports-its a business-it exists to entertain and therefor make money for the organisation. The best players are generally more entertaining-and clearly the fans support it because they bear the costs. People like watching the best of the best. Im curious if you extend your logic to all entertainers.
    Anyone can succeed, but you know damn well that if you are friends with a guy whose dad owns a company, you can skip the line of applicants and settle in in a decent position, and it happens all the time in every place I have ever worked. I have even benefited from how the game works. So this idea that anyone can come and succeed is just plain flawed. Some people are just plain going to get chewed up and spit on, and some people are going to have a cake walk. I feel bad for people that get chewed up. You seem to not be able to recognize their existence.

    As for extending my logic to all entertainers... yes, absolutely. The entertainment industry is completely overpaid. There is no reason some guy should get paid millions purely because he is funny, or a good singer. All of that still comes down to who you know. There is plenty of talent, and only a select few get an opportunity - even if they aren't necessarily the best.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    Anyone can succeed, but you know damn well that if you are friends with a guy whose dad owns a company, you can skip the line of applicants and settle in in a decent position, and it happens all the time in every place I have ever worked. I have even benefited from how the game works. So this idea that anyone can come and succeed is just plain flawed. Some people are just plain going to get chewed up and spit on, and some people are going to have a cake walk. I feel bad for people that get chewed up. You seem to not be able to recognize their existence.

    As for extending my logic to all entertainers... yes, absolutely. The entertainment industry is completely overpaid. There is no reason some guy should get paid millions purely because he is funny, or a good singer. All of that still comes down to who you know. There is plenty of talent, and only a select few get an opportunity - even if they aren't necessarily the best.
    So heres my question-who are you to decide what others should be paid?

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So heres my question-who are you to decide what others should be paid?
    If people without special skills expect to get paid what they feel they're worth then there will be a great deal more automation coming in the near future.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If people without special skills expect to get paid what they feel they're worth then there will be a great deal more automation coming in the near future.
    Exactly-they get their bluff called every time. Its seen in these entry level mcdonaldsdonalds employees who demand more but offer nothing of value.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Exactly-they get their bluff called every time. Its seen in these entry level mcdonaldsdonalds employees who demand more but offer nothing of value.
    A recording could ask if they want fries with that and flipping burgers would be one of the easier tasks to automate. Asking for more than value then is there will ruin it for those who work at the Arches in order to further their education or supplement their income. It is one of the better starting positions in the work force.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    I worked for a well known company where nepotism is encouraged. I was told by my manager that I was being let go because his friend from High School needed a job and he owed him a favor. If your job stood in the way of a supervisors kid that needed a job for the summer, you're gone.
    If that is their policy the company is doomed to fail.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A recording could ask if they want fries with that and flipping burgers would be one of the easier tasks to automate. Asking for more than value then is there will ruin it for those who work at the Arches in order to further their education or supplement their income. It is one of the better starting positions in the work force.
    A recording does ask! Out here at least many drive throughs have a pre-recorded greeting when you pull up. A touch screen would work just as well-lets face it these places can't seen to handel even a basic order with humans behind the counter as it is.

    When we subsidize entry level jobs, and the mindset that ends up there-we will get more of it.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If that is their policy the company is doomed to fail.
    You are correct and the process has begun with them.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So heres my question-who are you to decide what others should be paid?
    I'm not deciding what anyone gets paid. I'm just saying people deserve to be able to pay for an apartment, utilities, food, insurance, and set aside some money on a minimum wage job. Who am I to decide what people get paid? Who are you to determine people don't deserve to get paid? How can we pay someone thousands of times the current minimum wage but then scoff at people who can't find a job with a decent wage? It is unacceptable in today's world. We have ten times the wealth our fathers had (and most of it our fathers made, not us), yet we still refuse to cover basic needs across the board.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    I'm not deciding what anyone gets paid. I'm just saying people deserve to be able to pay for an apartment, utilities, food, insurance, and set aside some money on a minimum wage job. Who am I to decide what people get paid? Who are you to determine people don't deserve to get paid? How can we pay someone thousands of times the current minimum wage but then scoff at people who can't find a job with a decent wage? It is unacceptable in today's world. We have ten times the wealth our fathers had (and most of it our fathers made, not us), yet we still refuse to cover basic needs across the board.
    Why do they deserve this? How can anyone decide what people deserve?

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