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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Bringing in foreign students helps make our universities better. Plus, those people often choose to immigrate here which is a bonus for America.
    You misunderstand me. Of course foreign students are a good thing-thats not the issue-its that Americans aren't getting degrees in the fields likely to pay the biggest benefits in the future. They aren't getting engineering degrees-they are getting anthropology degrees.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    But I thought it was a cosmic injustice? Give me some money to make things right. What do you do for a living?
    Thinks he's being clever, acts like an 11 year old.

    Somebody shoot me.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And its possible to not understand market principles and yet dislike them.
    Yes it is possible to do that. Gee whiz.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You misunderstand me. Of course foreign students are a good thing-thats not the issue-its that Americans aren't getting degrees in the fields likely to pay the biggest benefits in the future. They aren't getting engineering degrees-they are getting anthropology degrees.
    But I thought the market was supposed to take care of that?

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But I thought the market was supposed to take care of that?
    It is-in India.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

    so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

    First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

    second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

    third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement

    Agreed, after adopting all these things it should be easy to get a fine development in the sector of childcare and teens.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Man some people are so ignorant of market principles it amazes me.

    The market determines what is a job's value.

    If there were only 32 people in the world qualified to be a firefighter, then they would make $10 million a year.

    If there were thousands of people qualified to be an nfl quarterback, they would make $50 thousand a year.

    However, the situation is reversed.

    Value is a function of scarcity. Gold has value because there is only so much of it, and people want it.

    Firefighters, for all the good they do to society, are not scarce. Many people can do that job and are willing to do that job.

    NFL quarterbacks, who play a child's game in your eyes, require specific physical and mental skills to do their job, honed over years of playing the game.

    If anyone could do it, these guys wouldn't get paid millions. The reality is, you couldn't do it, so rather than simply acknowledge that they bring in tens of millions of dollars to the organization they work for, more than justifying their huge paychecks, you distort the basic fundamentals of the situation and spread economic ignorance.

    It has nothing to do with what society values. After all, we have plenty of firefighters, precisely because they get paid what they deserve.
    Someone took a freshman economics class. Except that this isn't how life really works. Tons of people could do most jobs. The fact is people you are probably 75% right, and then 25% utterly wrong. Anyone can play the game of football. In fact, millions do. The best players get to be pro players because they are the best, not because they can do things someone else can't - they just do it a bit better. That bit better is the difference between no money and millions of dollars. That money they get paid could go into far more projects to better humanity, but it is selfishly given to a scarce few people.

    Do you think I deserve the money I make as a railroader? My job is easy as ****. ANYBODY, and I mean ANYBODY could do it. It is literally easier than being a dishwasher at a restaurant. But I get paid over twice what a dishwasher makes. For what? Sitting on my ass 9 hours a day and doing 3 hours of menial work? The market is based on who has the money. I haul millions of dollars of freight so I get paid more. Not because my job is harder or I am more qualified. I got the job because I know somebody, not because of how good my resume looks, and that sums up America.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    The best players get to be pro players because they are the best, not because they can do things someone else can't - they just do it a bit better.
    They are the best because they can do things others can't. Thats what that means.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They are the best because they can do things others can't. Thats what that means.
    Depending on how you look at it only. Anyone can still catch a ball, throw a ball, make a block, run up the gut, etc. You can put any decent team in a jersey and people are going to go watch the game. Why don't high school players get paid? Why not college players? Answer that and you may see the point I am making because you know they generate money as well, but the money they generate goes on to finance far more important things than the price tags on their shoes.

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    Re: Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

    Quote Originally Posted by hjl1991 View Post
    Depending on how you look at it only. Anyone can still catch a ball, throw a ball, make a block, run up the gut, etc. You can put any decent team in a jersey and people are going to go watch the game. Why don't high school players get paid? Why not college players? Answer that and you may see the point I am making because you know they generate money as well, but the money they generate goes on to finance far more important things than the price tags on their shoes.
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    "Anyone" is not the best. The best means what it means. High school and college players dont get paid because they are there (theoretically) for scholastics and not sports-in fact can you tell me of other high school kids or college kids who are paid for their school activities? Its a silly appeal-they are there to learn.

    Generation of money does is not the end all be all (unless you are a machine?)-and being the best does not mean you earn the most (see definition above).

    I feel you-but please know that this is not simply about what people earn. Just know that what people can do (the best) matters the most to those who pay (in any financial system).

    Please. Know that those who do the best (for any reason) are going to get paid the most.
    Last edited by US Conservative; 12-06-13 at 04:35 AM.

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