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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So there is never a reason have a 13 year old out at 3AM?

    What would you have done after being presented with the documentation?

    Does a notarized letter not mean anything anymore?

    Do human traffickers usually have notarized and original birth certificates with them for the girls under their control?
    In another article covering this story, it included more information.
    Saturday night, when the group, exhausted from their work, stopped off at nearby gas station.

    “We were on the GPS trying to figure out where the hotel was. And we sat there and we dozed off.”
    So here you have a car with Oklahoma license plates, parked in a gas station parking lot with two men who happen to be black and a young white girl, sleeping in the car at 3:00 AM in downtown Houston. This doesn't sound like a case of profiling but rather a gas station attendant or someone else calling the police and reporting it. If they couldn't figure out where the motel was, why didn't they call and get directions or ask the gas station attendant? And then there is something else. There are local ordinances in Houston and most cities that hotels do not book rooms to minors. The mother is an idiot.

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Add to that the police being provided with the story that they are her dance coach and partner for hip hop, backing it up with a number to call with a female voice on the other end vouching for behavior no sane parent would vouch for these days, and you have what appears to be the Elizabeth Smart Story all over again.

    I can see CPS keeping her for an extra day to ensure there was no pimp/child slavery action going on. Just one dumb set of parents.

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Add to that the police being provided with the story that they are her dance coach and partner for hip hop, backing it up with a number to call with a female voice on the other end vouching for behavior no sane parent would vouch for these days, and you have what appears to be the Elizabeth Smart Story all over again.

    I can see CPS keeping her for an extra day to ensure there was no pimp/child slavery action going on. Just one dumb set of parents.
    Well, here's the deal. If her dance instructors had been white, would people be talking about pimping and drug dealing in this thread? Of course not. I rest my case.
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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Well, here's the deal. If her dance instructors had been white, would people be talking about pimping and drug dealing in this thread? Of course not. I rest my case.
    Yeah, that's where you're wrong, the story would still sound hinkey. However, had it not been hip hop and two fellows in hip hop dress (and most likely speech), the story might have sounded a bit more plausible (regardless of color). But even then, you have to admit, the story sounds too close to other abduction and human traffiking stories to be ignored as normal, safe behavior. When a 13yr old is involved, it was good the officers and CPS took the time to check out the story.

    Your case fails.

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, that's where you're wrong, the story would still sound hinkey. However, had it not been hip hop and two fellows in hip hop dress (and most likely speech), the story might have sounded a bit more plausible (regardless of color). But even then, you have to admit, the story sounds too close to other abduction and human traffiking stories to be ignored as normal, safe behavior. When a 13yr old is involved, it was good the officers and CPS took the time to check out the story.

    Your case fails.
    If it was a case like that, the girl would tell the police when taken aside.

    Did it not matter she told them the situation then the police verified it?

    Are they saying the girl was in on the human trafficking, if that is what it was?

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If it was a case like that, the girl would tell the police when taken aside.

    Did it not matter she told them the situation then the police verified it?

    Are they saying the girl was in on the human trafficking, if that is what it was?
    Apparently you never heard of Elizabeth Smart or the scores of other similar cases. Google her. She was a girl about this age, abducted and held a virtual slave for nine months. Eventually her captors did take her out in public (begging), but she had been so beaten down and reprogrammed that she did not reveal she was kidnapped even when directly questioned by an officer. He let them go on their way.

    And I was suggesting the person the officer phoned who presented herself as the kid's mother may not have been. That's another element common with some traffiking operations. They have a script ready for when police make inquiries.
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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not arguing with that either. Just sayin', a 13yo girl out at 3am with two men not her parents would initially look problematic to me also.
    Indeed. I think it's easy to see this as purely racial and not also about the genders and ages involved.

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Indeed. I think it's easy to see this as purely racial and not also about the genders and ages involved.
    That depends on where your head is at as an idividual. For my part I see it as more likely to have little to do with race and very much to do with the disparity of age and the genders.

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Apparently you never heard of Elizabeth Smart or the scores of other similar cases. Google her. She was a girl about this age, abducted and held a virtual slave for nine months. Eventually her captors did take her out in public (begging), but she had been so beaten down and reprogrammed that she did not reveal she was kidnapped even when directly questioned by an officer. He let them go on their way.

    And I was suggesting the person the officer phoned who presented herself as the kid's mother may not have been. That's another element common with some traffiking operations. They have a script ready for when police make inquiries.
    Yes I have hears of her, but I would think a cop would be able to tell if the girl is upbeat and a dancer, she even offered to dance for them, and a beaten down girl.

    The question is, is why did the cop let Smart and the captors go.

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    Re: HPD responds to accusations of racial profiling with Oklahoma teen, dancers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Yes I have hears of her, but I would think a cop would be able to tell if the girl is upbeat and a dancer, she even offered to dance for them, and a beaten down girl.

    The question is, is why did the cop let Smart and the captors go.
    Because the Elizabeth was convincing that she belonged with them. You'd be surprised at how determined and how much acting ability a young person can muster when they think the lives of their family are on the line (this is often the threat in traffiking and longterm abduction scenerios).

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