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    U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a broad new legal challenge to President Barack Obama's 2010 healthcare law.
    The court rejected a petition filed by Liberty University, a Christian college in Virginia, which had raised various objections to the law, including to the key provision that requires individuals to obtain health insurance.
    That was the Republicans' last chance to kill Obamacare in it's entirety. However, there are still 2 cases that will be decided by June that deal with employers who don't want Obamacare to cover contraception, based on religious grounds.

    I am still amazed at why the GOP is trying so hard to kill a law that was conceived by the Heritage Foundation. Obamacare is virtually that same plan. And let's face it. Although some aspects of Obamacare have been a fiasco, Americans should act like Americans, and not let people die simply because they don't make enough money to afford insurance.

    So here is my question. If not Obamacare, then what? I would like to hear some good answers on this question. We should act like civilized people, and not as barbarians and animals. For now, despite it's many problems, I think Obamacare is OK, until something better comes along.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    How many will die if denied free contraception?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was the Republicans' last chance to kill Obamacare in it's entirety. However, there are still 2 cases that will be decided by June that deal with employers who don't want Obamacare to cover contraception, based on religious grounds.

    I am still amazed at why the GOP is trying so hard to kill a law that was conceived by the Heritage Foundation. Obamacare is virtually that same plan. And let's face it. Although some aspects of Obamacare have been a fiasco, Americans should act like Americans, and not let people die simply because they don't make enough money to afford insurance.

    So here is my question. If not Obamacare, then what? I would like to hear some good answers on this question. We should act like civilized people, and not as barbarians and animals. For now, despite it's many problems, I think Obamacare is OK, until something better comes along.

    Article is here.
    Yeah I don't think so.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How many will die if denied free contraception?
    Do you consider abortion to be murder? Because then a lot.

    Otherwise, fewer.

    I'm not sure why you bring this up, though.

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    Yeah I don't think so.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was the Republicans' last chance to kill Obamacare in it's entirety. However, there are still 2 cases that will be decided by June that deal with employers who don't want Obamacare to cover contraception, based on religious grounds.

    I am still amazed at why the GOP is trying so hard to kill a law that was conceived by the Heritage Foundation. Obamacare is virtually that same plan. And let's face it. Although some aspects of Obamacare have been a fiasco, Americans should act like Americans, and not let people die simply because they don't make enough money to afford insurance.

    So here is my question. If not Obamacare, then what? I would like to hear some good answers on this question. We should act like civilized people, and not as barbarians and animals. For now, despite it's many problems, I think Obamacare is OK, until something better comes along.

    Article is here.
    How is it the last chance? They still have the issue of tax penalty to deal with on the individual level which couldn't be challenged until levied. Then they have another issue with the tax penalty to do with the State level as ACA makes it illegal for Uncle Sam to tax companies or individuals who's States DO NOT have a State market and it's also illegal to give them subsidies. The Oklahoma cases is very interesting.

    Then you got the sure winner of a case over the tax penalty part which is the tax bills can't originate in the Senate despite the Senate using trickery by stripping a previous bill and creating a shell bill to get around the Constitution.

    Remember.. ACA penalty is considered a tax by the Supreme Court. So these 3 challenges all have a chance of overturning Obamacare.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
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    I am still amazed at why the GOP is trying so hard to kill a law that was conceived by the Heritage Foundation. Obamacare is virtually that same plan.
    Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate

    You can keep trolling that line out there, but you'll just get mocked for your blatant dishonesty. If you can't be honest and get your facts right, why should anyone listen to what you have to say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you consider abortion to be murder? Because then a lot.

    Otherwise, fewer.
    So this is the sole dichotomy that exists under the current scenario? God forbid people actually pay for their own recreation which is actually quite cheap.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate

    You can keep trolling that line out there, but you'll just get mocked for your blatant dishonesty. If you can't be honest and get your facts right, why should anyone listen to what you have to say?
    Did you read this?

    But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features.
    First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on "catastrophic" costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance.
    Still true of the ACA. In fact, even more true of the ACA because the coverage is more comprehensive. The notion that hospitals and taxpayers would be on the hook for less for catastrophic coverage only is ludicrous. Less from the individual, less from the hospital, less from the taxpayer. Just where does this guy think the rest of the money comes from? The insurance companies are just going to eat the cost out of the goodness of their hearts?

    Second, we sought to induce people to buy coverage primarily through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher, financed in part by a fundamental reform of the tax treatment of health coverage, rather than by a stick.
    The ACA contains generous credits. Funded in part by tax changes regarding health coverages...



    And third, in the legislation we helped craft that ultimately became a preferred alternative to ClintonCare, the "mandate" was actually the loss of certain tax breaks for those not choosing to buy coverage, not a legal requirement.
    literally exactly how the ACA mandate works. The "legal requirement" this moron thinks he differs from is enforced ONLY by a LOSS OF ONE SPECIFIC TAX BREAK.

    Either you didn't read this, or worse, you did. And believed it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did you read this?

    But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features.

    Still true of the ACA. In fact, even more true of the ACA because the coverage is more comprehensive. The notion that hospitals and taxpayers would be on the hook for less for catastrophic coverage only is ludicrous. Less from the individual, less from the hospital, less from the taxpayer. Just where does this guy think the rest of the money comes from? The insurance companies are just going to eat the cost out of the goodness of their hearts?



    The ACA contains generous credits.





    literally exactly how the ACA mandate works.
    You didn't read it obviously, but thanks for coming in with the media matters/msnbc silliniess.
    The Individual mandate is a tax only by the asstastic legal manipulations of John Roberts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So this is the sole dichotomy that exists under the current scenario? God forbid people actually pay for their own recreation which is actually quite cheap.
    Birth control isn't always about recreation. The pill is often used for the prevention of ovarian cysts, among other strictly medical uses.

    It's also not always cheap. Sometimes the medical uses require the more costly versions.

    Also, it's cheaper than having babies. Would you rather pay for a pill or a birth?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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