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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no, you are exposing that you have no understanding about the way insurance works
    we will all be expected to pay for health insurance coverage
    while we do not know whether we will eventually pay for more than we ultimately require
    our risk is pooled. and only a fool would hope to receive more than they contributed, because that would mean you encountered more health problems than the average person
    the objective is to pay more than we use. which meas we would up healthy. the 'surplus' that we paid, which was used by others, paid for the possibility that it could have otherwise been you who needed to access that 'surplus' to cover your extraordinary health costs
    without such a healthcare safety net, those with the least means and greatest health care issues ... which costs of care they could not personally afford, would have certain death as their near term expectation. this safety net changes that
    pay your health care premium and pray you never require use of the 'surplus' that is paid
    No, at the root of everything liberal is a ploy to get something they did not earn. Virtue. Healthcare. A Job. It most often centers around FORCING others to comply.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As 80% of the country already had insurance and several states already had implemented healthcare options, the answer is pretty obvious that the responsibility for health care should be on the individual first and state second. As to the contraceptives argument...that is just top down blanket bull****. The contraceptives 'battle' was a foolish contrived argument used as an allegation of this mythical "war on women.' When Sandra Fluke testified she even admitted that despite her mythical 'friend' being denied oral contraceptives that she, as a student of a Jesuit University, already HAD healthcare AND was able to get oral contraceptives. Where they have been indicated as a medical need (by doctors recommendation for prevention of OCs, etc) they are covered by insurance. If it is contraceptives for prevention of contraception, there are free clinics in every major city, Planned Parenthood organizations, every college campus, etc where condoms are readily available and free.

    As to the employers being required to provide healthcare...thats just stupid beyond comprehension.

    I do agree though...people should STOP challenging this law and should instead demand FULL implementation RIGHT NOW...before the elections. End the waivers, end the exemptions. Let people truly feel impact of their mindless support for legislation none of them bothered to read.
    End the exemptions? Who's going to do that? Obama's drones voted in the ACA and then slipped out the back door before it applied to them. Dems wont touch it. The attempt to move back the employer mandate until after the 2014 election is transparently political. These idiots had 4 years to implement this program, it was lies...lies deferred until after the 2012 election-lest America get a whiff of the **** sandwich they are going to be mandated to eat.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Well for starters;
    The Heritage plan does not assume Student Loans
    The Heritage plan does not mandate specified minimal coverage
    The Heritage plan does not force your existing policy to cancel because it doesnt meet government standards.
    The Heritage plan does not call for the hiring of 15,000 new IRS agents
    The Heritage plan does not give the HHS unheralded, unabated powers.
    The Heritage plan does not create a national data base of your personal medical information.

    should I go on?

    Romneycare wouldn't even have been a good comparison because even it isnt as overbearing and intrusive as the ACA.
    Might I add that Romneycare was intended for liberal massachusetts. In that specific context, it would have been more acceptable. But a top down, one size fits all program is destined to upset a lot of people.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    End the exemptions? Who's going to do that? Obama's drones voted in the ACA and then slipped out the back door before it applied to them. Dems wont touch it. The attempt to move back the employer mandate until after the 2014 election is transparently political. These idiots had 4 years to implement this program, it was lies...lies deferred until after the 2012 election-lest America get a whiff of the **** sandwich they are going to be mandated to eat.
    And that's my point...has been all along. The GOP is screwing themselves by FIGHTING this. Even if they won the democrats would run to their mindless supporters and blame every ill and problem on them. Frankly...it's an easy sell. So...FORCE implementation and watch them scurry like rats trying to STOP it.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And that's my point...has been all along. The GOP is screwing themselves by FIGHTING this. Even if they won the democrats would run to their mindless supporters and blame every ill and problem on them. Frankly...it's an easy sell. So...FORCE implementation and watch them scurry like rats trying to STOP it.
    I agree. Health care is something that no civilized society is going to deny the least among it's citizens, but Obamacare has been a disaster from the start. It is my hope that this will end up resulting in something better.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree. Health care is something that no civilized society is going to deny the least among it's citizens, but Obamacare has been a disaster from the start. It is my hope that this will end up resulting in something better.
    On that we can all agree. What would be better in your eyes? Free market unleashed or a single payer system?
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    On that we can all agree. What would be better in your eyes? Free market unleashed or a single payer system?
    We already had the free market system, and it did not work at all. Insurance companies dropped people when they got sick, people with pre-existing conditions could not obtain insurance, and plenty of junk insurance was available, in which people paid monthly for the privilege of not being covered if they had a catastrophic illness. So I say no to the free market system. It had it's chance, and it blew it.

    I also say no to single payer, because that is going too far.

    What would be the ideal health care system? Honestly, I don't know, but if we are to be a civilized society, and not a bunch of savages, then we certainly need something.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We already had the free market system, and it did not work at all. Insurance companies dropped people when they got sick, people with pre-existing conditions could not obtain insurance, and plenty of junk insurance was available, in which people paid monthly for the privilege of not being covered if they had a catastrophic illness. So I say no to the free market system. It had it's chance, and it blew it.

    I also say no to single payer, because that is going too far.

    What would be the ideal health care system? Honestly, I don't know, but if we are to be a civilized society, and not a bunch of savages, we certainly need something.
    We haven't had a free market since at least the 70's. Health insurance worked just fine before that (when it was actual insurance), and it wasn't breaking families financially.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We haven't had a free market since at least the 70's. Health insurance worked just fine before that (when it was actual insurance), and it wasn't breaking families financially.
    That was when insurance companies were deregulated, and the so-called free market was unleashed.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was when insurance companies were deregulated, and the so-called free market was unleashed.
    No, the 70's was when the heavy regulation began. The free market was working just fine before. Costs were contained, pharmaceuticals and Dr's offices were competitive for business, and a room fee in the hospital was about 100 dollars per day.
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