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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The heritage idea wasn't UHC, nor is the ACA. Heritage's idea was an alternative to "HillaryCare" presented by the GOP. It included a mandate to buy health insurance, enforced by removing tax benefits from people who failed to get insurance. And provided tax credits to help those who had trouble affording insurance. You're telling me this is "nothing like" the ACA?
    By your reasoning, just because the two ideas had one thing in common that it means they are the same?

    A giraffe and a cheetah both have spots, are they the same?

    Another thing you need to realize is that this is not a Republican vs. Democrat thing...both establishments want this, its the people who are crying out about it and started electing people that will help get rid of this monstrosity.

    Listen to the outcry now...and its only effecting a very small portion of our population. Wait until the law effects everyone and their employer provided plans.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    As 80% of the country already had insurance and several states already had implemented healthcare options, the answer is pretty obvious that the responsibility for health care should be on the individual first and state second. As to the contraceptives argument...that is just top down blanket bull****. The contraceptives 'battle' was a foolish contrived argument used as an allegation of this mythical "war on women.' When Sandra Fluke testified she even admitted that despite her mythical 'friend' being denied oral contraceptives that she, as a student of a Jesuit University, already HAD healthcare AND was able to get oral contraceptives. Where they have been indicated as a medical need (by doctors recommendation for prevention of OCs, etc) they are covered by insurance. If it is contraceptives for prevention of contraception, there are free clinics in every major city, Planned Parenthood organizations, every college campus, etc where condoms are readily available and free.

    As to the employers being required to provide healthcare...thats just stupid beyond comprehension.

    I do agree though...people should STOP challenging this law and should instead demand FULL implementation RIGHT NOW...before the elections. End the waivers, end the exemptions. Let people truly feel impact of their mindless support for legislation none of them bothered to read.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was the Republicans' last chance to kill Obamacare in it's entirety. However, there are still 2 cases that will be decided by June that deal with employers who don't want Obamacare to cover contraception, based on religious grounds.

    I am still amazed at why the GOP is trying so hard to kill a law that was conceived by the Heritage Foundation. Obamacare is virtually that same plan. And let's face it. Although some aspects of Obamacare have been a fiasco, Americans should act like Americans, and not let people die simply because they don't make enough money to afford insurance.

    So here is my question. If not Obamacare, then what? I would like to hear some good answers on this question. We should act like civilized people, and not as barbarians and animals. For now, despite it's many problems, I think Obamacare is OK, until something better comes along.







    Article is here.



    I agree that Obamacare will have to do until single payer is enacted.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who the hell cares what heritage supported? It is still forcing people into commerce and ignoring the people right to decide to buy or not buy insurance. That isn't even considering the right of insurance companies to deny to do business with people. Just admit your law is a violation of human rights and move on. Stop trying to pretend anyone cares that the heritage foundation supported the idea in the past or that it even matters.
    Heritage guy wants to suggest obamacare was unconstitutional but his idea wasn't. So apparently he cares.

    Do you have the right to dump medical costs on to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    By your reasoning, just because the two ideas had one thing in common that it means they are the same?

    A giraffe and a cheetah both have spots, are they the same?

    Another thing you need to realize is that this is not a Republican vs. Democrat thing...both establishments want this, its the people who are crying out about it and started electing people that will help get rid of this monstrosity.

    Listen to the outcry now...and its only effecting a very small portion of our population. Wait until the law effects everyone and their employer provided plans.
    Feel free to describe a substantial difference between the two plans.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Heritage guy wants to suggest obamacare was unconstitutional but his idea wasn't. So apparently he cares.
    I don't care.

    Do you have the right to dump medical costs on to me?
    Complaining about laws again, are we? Tell me though, if the hospital was to provide people free care on their free will would that not increase costs? Do they not have the right to dump those costs on paying customers? Why is it any different when it happens when government starts the wheels rolling? Why can't the hospital dump costs on paying customers?

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't care.



    Complaining about laws again, are we? Tell me though, if the hospital was to provide people free care on their free will would that not increase costs? Do they not have the right to dump those costs on paying customers? Why is it any different when it happens when government starts the wheels rolling? Why can't the hospital dump costs on paying customers?
    Deflection. You don't answer my question and expect an answer to yours?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Deflection. You don't answer my question and expect an answer to yours?
    Consider the answer to your question yes.

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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Feel free to describe a substantial difference between the two plans.
    Well for starters;
    The Heritage plan does not assume Student Loans
    The Heritage plan does not mandate specified minimal coverage
    The Heritage plan does not force your existing policy to cancel because it doesnt meet government standards.
    The Heritage plan does not call for the hiring of 15,000 new IRS agents
    The Heritage plan does not give the HHS unheralded, unabated powers.
    The Heritage plan does not create a national data base of your personal medical information.

    should I go on?

    Romneycare wouldn't even have been a good comparison because even it isnt as overbearing and intrusive as the ACA.
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    Re: U.S. justices decline to hear another Obamacare challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Multiple challenges on the same grounds are very likely to be dismissed as well.
    Perhaps by SCOTUS, im talking about legislation to overturn the law.

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