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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Shop owners, who are inviting the public into their establishment to do business, owe various legal duties to those who enter their establishment. The agreement between the owner and the public at large includes obligations to admit whatever part of the public wants to do business. There are circumstances under which an owner can eject people, but this is not one of them.

    What you call a fairy tale, the rest of us call American law.
    this is absolutely one of them, just like "no shirts, no shoes, no service"

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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The issue is that with cell phones, based on the way they're shaped and used, one can reasonably make an assumption when someone is taking a picture or recording you. While it can be done at semi-discreet angles, typically to take any kind of worth while image with a smart phone requires you to hold it up shoulder level or so and usually extended in front of you so you can actually see what it is the camera is capturing. These are all obvious and recognizable signs that people generally can see and know "they're using a camera"

    With google glass, there's few good ways to truly know when someone is simply looking your direction or actively filming/taking a picture your direction. There's no clear and obvious visual cue or notion that clearly resignates with people to let them know. Because of this it's understandable that the default assumption is that recording would be happening, becuase there's no way to know either way and so you assume the worst. Where as with a cell phone, if they haev it out and facing down as they tap on the screen then there's no reason or expectation that they're using the camera.
    It would seem fairly obvious to me if someone was recording, i.e. their head turned at an odd angle, targeting and following, etc. This article also states that there are way to check and see if someone is recording:

    To check if that super nerd is recording you as you go about your daily business, look them in the eye and check if the lens is lit up.
    First, the device's screen is illuminated whenever it's in use, and that applies to taking a picture or recording a video.
    Second, Glass requires the user to either speak a command - "Ok Glass, take a picture" or "Ok Glass, record a video" - or to take an explicit action by pressing the button on the top of Glass's frame. In each case, the illuminated screen, voice command or gesture all make it clear to those around the device what the user is doing.

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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Do you realize that recording someone's conversation does not require their knowledge or permission?

    The app developers are just covering their ass - it is not illegal.
    Yes I do, and you're off point.

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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In Florida it is a criminal offense to do an audio recording of anyone unless they first give express permission to do so.
    Florida Recording Law
    Florida's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a "wire, oral, or electronic communication" in Florida, unless all parties to the communication consent. See Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any telephone conversation and any in-person that common sense tells you is private.
    As I said before, if you are sitting in a restaurant, you do not have "a reasonable expectation of privacy", and recording you does not violate your right to privacy.

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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What other reason exists for wearing them?
    That's how you use them. You wear them. There is no other way.

    Google can defuse the situation by incorporating a manual shutter, a cover door over the camera.

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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I wonder why the customer chose to leave instead of putting them away?

    What was he doing with them?

    Was he there to eat or video?
    I suspect he wasn't taking video at all. Probably just arguing Obama's extension of troops in Afghanistan on DebatePolitics.com.

    He probably left because he was embarrassed. I've felt the same when asked to leave for OC'ing my handgun.

    Personally I'm waiting for this tech to get down to contact lenses, where the lenses is a peripheral device and the real computer looks like a hearing aid or bluetooth on the ear. I would love to have that. As it is I love having a Motorola Sliver speaking audio books and using voice commands to the phone in my pocket. If I would have a contact lenses to accompany that....








    ...sooo many apps in waiting for the 'Google Lens' or 'Google Eye' or whatever the call it....the iEye....ultimate HUD experience, GPS, speedometer, music without looking away from the road...a firearms training app that can help you learn proper sight picture and actually knows where you're focusing while aiming (a lens could detect your actual lens flexing to focus)...detect flinching in anticipation of the shot and send a custom stimuli to train you out of it...hell even display how many rounds you've fired.

    Imagine the alarm clock app on a lens displaying progressively funny pictures to wake you up....or grose pictures to kick you out of bed...
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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Florida Recording Law

    As I said before, if you are sitting in a restaurant, you do not have "a reasonable expectation of privacy", and recording you does not violate your right to privacy.
    The property owner may still bar the devices.
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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The property owner may still bar the devices.
    Yes but that wasn't the point being discussed.

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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes I do, and you're off point.
    Just correcting you.
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    Re: Seattle Restaurant Ejects Customer Wearing Google Glass

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Just correcting you.
    Trolling, more like, because I hadn't stated the contrary.

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