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Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban [W:72]

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beerftw said:
yes i have,its the 14th amendment,but the 4th does not mandate marriage,therefore legally a state can choose not to recognize marriage at all,and legally nothing can be done,as nothing in the constitution grantss marriage as a right,only a court ruling granted the power to the court by itself and no constitutional authority.
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A state can choose not to recognize marriage. They can't choose to selectively recognize marriage on the basis of gender without providing an important state interest in doing so, due to the 14th.

The state must present that interest when challenged under equal protection. This isn't my opinion, this is 150 years of legal precedent. Can you tell me that interest?
 
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beerftw said:
yes i have,its the 14th amendment,but the
4th does not mandate marriage,therefore legally a state can choose not to recognize marriage at all,and legally nothing can be done,as nothing in the constitution grantss marriage as a right,only a court ruling granted the power to the court by itself and no constitutional authority.
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And thankfully, for now, it will stay that way.

Let em sue, it will go all the way up to SCOTUS and then be decided 5-4, that Texas's ban was Constitutional.
 
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beerftw said:
1.)you have yet to show any constitutional backing for anything you claimed,just the court said,in which the court was never granted any authority to decipher the constitution or to grant rights at all.



2.) until you can back anything youve claimed with anything constitutional,everything you have claimed is utter crap unbackable by any legal constitutional law or rule writte in the united states.
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1.) really? except equal rights lol and the courts get to determine what that is :shrug:
2.) already done but you can continue to deny this fact and continue to make stuff up, nobody honest will be fooled
 
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Fenton said:
And thankfully, for now, it will stay that way.

Let em sue, it will go all the way up to SCOTUS and then be decided 5-4, that Texas's ban was Constitutional.
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Keep telling yourself that. This is a lost cause for you, my friend. And I might wonder why you even care. What harm is done to you when two dudes get married?
 
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Deuce said:
A state can choose not to recognize marriage. They can't choose to selectively recognize marriage on the basis of gender without providing an important state interest in doing so, due to the 14th.

The state must present that interest when challenged under equal protection. This isn't my opinion, this is 150 years of legal precedent. Can you tell me that interest?
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i already pointed that out posts ago.

states can choose to accept or not marriage,but cant discriminate.should they choose not to accept,marriage would fall back to a religious construct,not a state controlled one,as intended.

marriage is a state construct,meaning if baptists say no to gay marriage,but catholics and hindus say whatever,they could be married,under that religion.being a religious construct,the state should have zero authority anyways to decide who can and cant be married.and under civil union,which is a state construct,they must follow the 14th amendment.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) really? accept equal rights lol and the courts get to determine what that is :shrug:
2.) already done but you can continue to deny this fact and continue to make stuff up, nobody honest will be fooled
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i have made nothing up,you are the one refusing to present anything constitutional to back your claims,yet i can easily present any evidence showing nothing in the constitution grantion rights for marriage,and even further nothing granting any court the power to decide that,but rather i can link the court ruling where the supreme court granted themselves the power never granted to them.
 
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beerftw said:
1.)i have made nothing up
2.)you are the one refusing to present anything constitutional to back your claims
3.)yet i can easily present any evidence showing nothing in the constitution grantion rights for marriage
4.) and even further nothing granting any court the power to decide that,but rather i can link the court ruling where the supreme court granted themselves the power never granted to them.
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1.) this post lie doesnt float, you have made up many stances that were never said, this is a fact
2.) already did when just like others i mentioned equality
3.) which is meaningless to the discussion, there nothing in the constitution saying you have the right not to be raped either :shrug:
4.) another meaningless OPINION but the fact remains SCOTUS does get to interpret federal constitutional law

cant wait for your next post full of deflections and more made up claims


again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing chances that
 
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AGENT J said:
i agree and the reason one can typical do things like this is they can claim health code reasons etc or other legit reasons

and yes you are right race, gender etc is something different
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that it is my friend, that it is.
 
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Deuce said:
Not correct. Discrimination on the basis of gender, race, or religion is illegal unless the government can provide varying levels of justification for such a discrimination.
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Ah, perhaps I understand and perhaps not. Sort of like the contraception issue with obamacare. If contraception is against ones religion it doesn't have to be offered in a healthcare plan unless the government can show justification for it. In other words, you're saying a government can discriminate against ones religion if it wants to, but not other people.
 
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Perotista said:
that it is my friend, that it is.
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yep

also i see your from georgia, rumor has it they may have a case soon, seems some members of their gay population who was married else where wants to divorce, similar to the texas case, and they may be failing suit.

IMO though i think Georgia may be one of the last to have equal rights but they didnt do bad in the poll they got 0 votes to be last.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/176752-last-state-have-same-sex-marriage-w-33-a.html
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) this post lie doesnt float, you have made up many stances that were never said, this is a fact
2.) already did when just like others i mentioned equality
3.) which is meaningless to the discussion, there nothing in the constitution saying you have the right not to be raped either :shrug:
4.) another meaningless OPINION but the fact remains SCOTUS does get to interpret federal constitutional law

cant wait for your next post full of deflections and more made up claims


again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing chances that
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one you states rights,yet only supported them by a jusdge ruling,in which a judge has zero authority to grant rights.

2 see number one,mentioning equality doesnt not equal gay marriage rights,might want to actually read the constitution before you run on such rants,

3-actually again you should read the constitution,no it does not state the right not to be raped,but it shows your utter disdain for the constitution and proving pint one.further the constitution has the necessary and proper clause,and grANTS rights,but also allows punishment for abusing their rights.

4--its not opinion,its not written in the constitution anywhere at any time,they granted themselves that power,therefore constitutionally the scotus has been unconstitutional since right after the revolutionary war.you still cant point anywhere that grants the supreme court the power to grant itself power,because it doesnt exist.
 
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beerftw said:
1.)one you states rights,yet only supported them by a jusdge ruling,in which a judge has zero authority to grant rights.

2 see number one,mentioning equality doesnt not equal gay marriage rights,might want to actually read the constitution before you run on such rants,

3-actually again you should read the constitution,no it does not state the right not to be raped,but it shows your utter disdain for the constitution and proving pint one.further the constitution has the necessary and proper clause,and grANTS rights,but also allows punishment for abusing their rights.

4--its not opinion,its not written in the constitution anywhere at any time,they granted themselves that power,therefore constitutionally the scotus has been unconstitutional since right after the revolutionary war.you still cant point anywhere that grants the supreme court the power to grant itself power,because it doesnt exist.
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BOOM! called it more deflections and and made up fantasy
1.) again simply not true but keep posting this lie maybe somebody will believe it
2.) yes it does when discrimination and rights involved just like it did for women and minority rights and just like it did for interracial marriage.
3.) translation, the constitution factually does not need to mention something directly like you implied and now are back pedaling from, thank you. ANother failed deflection since your point one is a lie lol
4.) yes you statment was opinion because its made up bs. Its another failed strawman, cant you point out where i said that SCOTUS gets to grant itself power? oh thats right i never did lol its just one of the things you made up based on fantasy arguments and strawmen in your head instead of things actually said.
what id id say though is SCOTUS does get to interpret federal constitutional law

again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing changes that
 
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AGENT J said:
BOOM! called it more deflections and and made up fantasy
1.) again simply not true but keep posting this lie maybe somebody will believe it
2.) yes it does when discrimination and rights involved just like it did for women and minority rights and just like it did for interracial marriage.
3.) translation, the constitution factually does not need to mention something directly like you implied and now are back pedaling from, thank you. ANother failed deflection since your point one is a lie lol
4.) yes you statment was opinion because its made up bs. Its another failed strawman, cant you point out where i said that SCOTUS gets to grant itself power? oh thats right i never did lol its just one of the things you made up based on fantasy arguments and strawmen in your head instead of things actually said.
what id id say though is SCOTUS does get to interpret federal constitutional law

again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing changes that
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omfg not only can you cite nothing from the constitution that backs your theory,you claim equal righs yet dont understand the first and fourth amendment,equal rights are granted under the fourteenth,but dont anywhere say states must accept marriage at all,but would say if they did they must accept all or none,forcing them to accept marriage plus gay marriage would blatantly violate the first amendment.

even further your entire case is still based on a court ruling which blatantly ciolates the constitution as the court was never granted the power to grant rights,and you have yet to provide any evidence of such.



be prepared as you are gonna see in my next few posts the constitution and the court rulling that granted the courts power not granted to them.all of this is easily googleable info but apparently for you its too much to ask for a 10 second google search.
 
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AGENT J said:
yep

also i see your from georgia, rumor has it they may have a case soon, seems some members of their gay population who was married else where wants to divorce, similar to the texas case, and they may be failing suit.

IMO though i think Georgia may be one of the last to have equal rights but they didnt do bad in the poll they got 0 votes to be last.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/176752-last-state-have-same-sex-marriage-w-33-a.html
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Georgia is a funny state in the deep south in a way. We were fortunate to have a governor back in 1970 who saw the writing on the wall and was way ahead of other southern governors when it came to segregation and affirmative action. Bring the races together shall I say, that governor was Jimmy Carter. We were also very late in becoming part of what is now referred to as the solid republican south. It wasn't until 2002 we finally elected our first ever Republican governor and state legislature. We're probably closer to becoming a Florida than a South Carolina or Alabama.

Regardless, time will tell what happens here. As long as Deal is governor there is no way gay marriage will ever happen. But that doesn't surprise me of him, he also is not all that well liked down here and with the right candidate he could be beaten next year. But the democrats down here always nominate an Atlanta Liberal which won't fly outside of the city itself. But keep an eye on our senate race, it may surprise you.

Regardless
 
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beerftw said:
just for agent jay to read


United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All Amendments to the United States Constitution


more to come since he spouts all his nonesense but cant even link anything to the most googleable info on the web
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what nonsense, the nonsense that was made up in your post that i never said?
is that why when i asked a quote of me saying those lies be provided they never were? thats what i thought lol
good work arguing against your failed strawmen its hilarious.

PLEASE PLEASE make sure there is more to come so the entertainment continues
 
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Perotista said:
Georgia is a funny state in the deep south in a way. We were fortunate to have a governor back in 1970 who saw the writing on the wall and was way ahead of other southern governors when it came to segregation and affirmative action. Bring the races together shall I say, that governor was Jimmy Carter. We were also very late in becoming part of what is now referred to as the solid republican south. It wasn't until 2002 we finally elected our first ever Republican governor and state legislature. We're probably closer to becoming a Florida than a South Carolina or Alabama.

Regardless, time will tell what happens here. As long as Deal is governor there is no way gay marriage will ever happen. But that doesn't surprise me of him, he also is not all that well liked down here and with the right candidate he could be beaten next year. But the democrats down here always nominate an Atlanta Liberal which won't fly outside of the city itself. But keep an eye on our senate race, it may surprise you.

Regardless
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hhhmmm should be interesting
 
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and heres a link on info about the supreme court declaring themselves power over the constitution.

Supreme Court & Judicial Review
 
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AGENT J said:
what nonsense, the nonsense that you made up and i never said? is that why when i asked you to quote me saying those lie you never did? thats what i thought lol
good work arguing against your failed statesman its hilarious.

PLEASE PLEASE make sure there is more to come so the entertainment continues
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again your saying you cant back up a single thing constitutionally,which makes your theory simply an opinion piece,as the law and constitution dont back you,as you have done nothing but runarounds rather than back your claims,which i did,then you simply called it nonsense,and provided no rebuttal,which shows how weak your character is.
 
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beerftw said:
again your saying you cant back up a single thing constitutionally,which makes your theory simply an opinion piece,as the law and constitution dont back you,as you have done nothing but runarounds rather than back your claims,which i did,then you simply called it nonsense,and provided no rebuttal,which shows how weak your character is.
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translation: you have no quotes of me saying the lies you claimed i said, ill keep waiting, please continue with these failed strawmen.

why do you make posts about ME instead of the topic? thats very telling

the fact remains again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing chances that, just like it was when it was about womans, minorities and interracial marriage.

let me know when you can post those qoutes i asked for and PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC
facts prove your post wrong again
 
Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

AGENT J said:
translation: you have no quotes of me saying the lies you claimed i said, ill keep waiting, please continue with these failed strawmen.

why do you make posts about ME instead of the topic? thats very telling

the fact remains again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing chances that, just like it was when it was about womans, minorities and interracial marriage.

let me know when you can post those qoutes i asked for and PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC
facts prove your post wrong again
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ive posted plenty about the topic,so far you have claimed the courts declared it a right,and that not allowing it violates there rights,but have not yet backed up their claims.

i have posted links to every constitutional amendment,the wiki to the constitution,and the origins of judicial review never granted to the courts by anyone but themselves,

if your so ignorant you cant even read the amendments,yet want to talk crap,yet cant even point to a single amentment or clause in the constitution,you deserve no place in this debate whatsoever,as you have provided nothing but opinions and childish retaliations.
 
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beerftw said:
again your saying you cant back up a single thing constitutionally,which makes your theory simply an opinion piece,as the law and constitution dont back you,as you have done nothing but runarounds rather than back your claims,which i did,then you simply called it nonsense,and provided no rebuttal,which shows how weak your character is.
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AGENT J said:
translation: you have no quotes of me saying the lies you claimed i said, ill keep waiting, please continue with these failed strawmen.

why do you make posts about ME instead of the topic? thats very telling

the fact remains again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing chances that, just like it was when it was about womans, minorities and interracial marriage.

let me know when you can post those qoutes i asked for and PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC
facts prove your post wrong again
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Moderator's Warning:
Stop the personal comments and baiting. Address the topic and debate or move on.
 
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beerftw said:
1.)ive posted plenty about the topic2
2.) so far you have claimed the courts declared it a right,and that not allowing it violates there rights,but have not yet backed up their claims.
3.) i have posted links to every constitutional amendment,the wiki to the constitution,and the origins of judicial review never granted to the courts by anyone but themselves,
4.) if your so ignorant you cant even read the amendments,yet want to talk crap,yet cant even point to a single amentment or clause in the constitution,you deserve no place in this debate whatsoever,as you have provided nothing but opinions
5.) and childish retaliations.
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1.) yes and failed insults about me
2.) i dont claim that 14 times SCOTUS said its a right :shrug: this is a fact, you can disagree with them but that is a fact they did that. You went off on some rant trying ot turn that into something i never said
3.) which are meaningless to anything i actually said, post 30 more links they dont matter because they dont impact anything i actually posted. DO you have those quotes yet?
4.) lol more incivility and failed insults because you got caught positng lies and making stuff up, thats not my fault
5.) ???? what? lol that was only you not me

Like i said when you are ready to STAY ON TOPIC and can qoute me and back up the lies you posted youll have somethign, until then NOTHING has changed, you just keep reposting your failed strawmen

facts defeat your post again

the fact remains again, this is an equal, civil and human rights issues and nothing chances that, just like it was when it was about womans, minorities and interracial marriage.

that is the topic
 
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Who cares about the constitution. This is our country now, we decide it means whatever we want to say it means. It is no good reason to use it as an excuse to hurt people you don't like.
 
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beerftw said:
to throw your world upside down,the constitution never once grants right of marriage,nor recognizes it.
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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. That is to say, that the constitution does not specifically list a right does not mean that we do not have it. The argument that we do not have the right to marry merely because the constitution does not say that we do, or that we lack any right because the constitution does not specifically guarantee it to us, is ALWAYS wrong.

I don't want to bother with quotes but we'll address the other points brought up.

1. Religion has no special hold on marriage, least of all a single religion in this country. For thousands of years, societies have been making rules about marriage, both for spiritual and secular reasons. And even so, most Americans don't want their marriages to suddenly have no legal authority. The vast majority of the people in this country, married or not, want marriage to be a legal status. These laws trace at least back to 13th century England, which is about the earliest legal body that our law is based on. In that society, while religion (and pretty much just Catholicism) had a part in marriage, it was still a legal status. That said, the favor given to a singular religious body and the entanglement it held with the law would be grossly unconstitutional in this country.

2. The "get government out of marriage" argument would always end up with a couple having fewer rights. The argument usually ends up demanding that all of the designations like medical and legal proxy and inheritance be determined in a living (or not) will, but there is absolutely no private contract that will confer on one partner immunity to being compelled to testify against the other. A loss of rights is guaranteed and there is no benefit obtained in exchange.

3. The supreme court has recognized marriage as a fundamental right that is protected by the constitution. Even if a state wanted to refuse to recognize marriages (which would be against the wishes of the people in that state), it would still have to recognize the status conferred by marriages in other states, or federally recognized ones.

There is no serious movement to destroy the legal institution of marriage. Since that is the case, there is no constitutional grounds for denying gay couples access to it. Marriage is a constitutionally protected fundamental right according to numerous supreme court cases, and thus is law, since we use a common law system. In order to infringe on that fundamental right, the government (state or federal) must provide reasoning to pass at least a rational basis test, likely a higher one. Every court case thus far that has addressed the overall constitutionality of SSM bans has found them unconstitutional. The Prop 8 case in California, which is the current highest level case, will be persuasive in any future deliberation, and it holds that SSM bans fail to meet even the rational basis test, and I am inclined to agree.

Please, what government interest is banning SSM rationally related to?
 
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