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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    1.)I think it will be interesting to see how this goes. I know everyone seems to think these court cases will go their way
    2.) but one never knows on what part of the constitution that will end up deciding a case like this.
    3.) Is it who has control of marriage? States issue the licenses, so it is probably the states.
    4.) Is it an equal opportunity or equal rights case? Most think so, but the courts have ruled on things so many times that made no sense to me I think I will just have to wait and see.
    1.) i agree, im actually anticipating a loss or 2.
    Texas will be interesting IMO also

    2.) if the US Constitution is used i dont really see any other part to use besides equality, my guess would be if equal rights for gays fails the US Constitution will NOT be mentioned at all by the judges.

    3.) States are PARTIALLY in control just like anything that involves individual rights

    4.) well if factually is has other SSCs have already proven and again my "guess" is if equal rights fails equality again wont be mentioned by the judges they will avoid it.

    We alway have to wait and see but it still makes me happy that the fight is takign place, people fighting for equal rights is awesome and while some battle may be lost in the end equal rights for gays will be national the writing is on the wall at this point its only the time frame we dont know.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes, like race or gender. Some states already recognize sexual orientation as a protected class that may not be discriminated against. That is not the case yet at the federal level.
    Supposedly discrimination is illegal in any form against any one.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) its already simply for me but thanks for the concern
    2.) it doesn't nor has that claim been made nor is this what the law suit is over.

    The issue is simply about equal rights and individual rights and freedoms, banning gay marriage has been found on many occasions to violate equality and rights.

    3.) again reframing the question to suit your subjective opinion doesn't really work. Its always been a violation of equal rights and discrimination just not protected, fought for and cared about as much. Same thing happen with slavery, minority rights, woman's rights and interracial marriage.

    Its not like all those things i just mentioned magically became wrong they were always wrong just more people accepted it and more people became educated to that fact and more people relized the bigotry and hypocrisy they were practicing, condoning and or not fighting against.

    4.) again nothing, equal rights is the issue.

    where is freedom of not to be raped in the constitution, rape isnt mentioned anywhere? see how silly a statement like that is


    have to focus on reality and whats actually going on.

    all these same types of unsupportable arguments were brought up before with slavery, minority/womens rights and interracial marriage. They all lost because when it came down to it they were all illogical, unsupportable and rights infringements. This is true today when discriminating against sexuality and denying equal rights.

    also you really didnt answer

    whats being ignored
    why does it matter that marriage isnt in the constitution
    to throw your world upside down,the constitution never once grants right of marriage,nor recognizes it.when the constitution was written,marriage was to be a religious ceremony,not recognized by the federal govt.meaning they left it to the 10th amendment,and that states were to choose their own laws.

    the 14th amendment if i remember correct prohibits inequality,which would mean that they had to discriminate against all,or none.this in turn would mean legally by the constitution if the state of texas refused to recognize marriage at all,it would revert to churches and local comunities to aknowledge them,and no govt force could intervene,which would also mean the local religions would decide whether gay marriage was ok or not,depending on the religion or even specific place of worship,would depend on a yes or no answer.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) i agree, im actually anticipating a loss or 2.
    Texas will be interesting IMO also

    2.) if the US Constitution is used i dont really see any other part to use besides equality, my guess would be if equal rights for gays fails the US Constitution will NOT be mentioned at all by the judges.

    3.) States are PARTIALLY in control just like anything that involves individual rights

    4.) well if factually is has other SSCs have already proven and again my "guess" is if equal rights fails equality again wont be mentioned by the judges they will avoid it.

    We alway have to wait and see but it still makes me happy that the fight is takign place, people fighting for equal rights is awesome and while some battle may be lost in the end equal rights for gays will be national the writing is on the wall at this point its only the time frame we dont know.
    Exactly, I also see what you mean by mentioning equal rights or not. If the courts decides it is the states who control marriage then it, equal rights had little to nothing to do with the court's ruling. Or so I take that is what you meant. If it is equal rights, then the court will cite that and the provision of the constitution for which it applies. I think I got you.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    1.)to throw your world upside down,the constitution never once grants right of marriage,nor recognizes it.when the constitution was written,marriage was to be a religious ceremony,not recognized by the federal govt.meaning they left it to the 10th amendment,and that states were to choose their own laws.

    2.) the 14th amendment if i remember correct prohibits inequality,which would mean that they had to discriminate against all,or none.this in turn would mean legally by the constitution if the state of texas refused to recognize marriage at all,it would revert to churches and local comunities to aknowledge them,and no govt force could intervene,which would also mean the local religions would decide whether gay marriage was ok or not,depending on the religion or even specific place of worship,would depend on a yes or no answer.
    1.) this does nothing to my world since i never claimed the constitution grants marriage rights, please try more failed strawmen though

    2.) this cant happen since this too would also infringe on rights, another failed strawman


    look at that, my world is still right side up please continue you rant though it was entertaining
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Supposedly discrimination is illegal in any form against any one.
    No it's not. Any individual, business, or the govt can discriminate against anything that is not covered by anti-discrimination laws.

    You can throw a person out of your business if they arent wearing a shirt, but not if they are female. The govt or an employer may not hire someone based on their having a tattoo, but not based on their race. For ex.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No it's not. Any individual, business, or the govt can discriminate against anything that is not covered by anti-discrimination laws.

    You can throw a person out of your business if they arent wearing a shirt, but not if they are female. The govt or an employer may not hire someone based on their having a tattoo, but not based on their race. For ex.
    Okay, I never looked at that way, but you are right. protected class, interesting.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, I also see what you mean by mentioning equal rights or not. If the courts decides it is the states who control marriage then it, equal rights had little to nothing to do with the court's ruling. Or so I take that is what you meant. If it is equal rights, then the court will cite that and the provision of the constitution for which it applies. I think I got you.
    Well thats close, what i really mean is is if Texas SSC decides to side step the issue and not take it head on they will simply not mention equal rights and reference the US constitution because i think its impossible to do so and deny equal rights for gays.

    I think they will reference something else and stick to that.

    But yes like you said if they talk about equality they will adress it directly, at least this is what the other SSCs ruling did
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Supposedly discrimination is illegal in any form against any one.
    it can be but you have to be much more specific.

    what i mean is that theres not one person you can name that isnt protected by discriminaiton laws because we all are but there are discriminations out there that are totally legal.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    to throw your world upside down,the constitution never once grants right of marriage,nor recognizes it.when the constitution was written,marriage was to be a religious ceremony,not recognized by the federal govt.meaning they left it to the 10th amendment,and that states were to choose their own laws.

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    This is true....there is no 'right to marry.' However the federal govt chooses to confer benefits and privileges (and some penalties) on married couples, so it comes down to an issue of discrimination. And discrimination is covered in the Constitution.

    The gray area is whether or not the federal govt will recognize, as some states have, sexual orientation as a protected class. (And the threat of this has likely driven many of the current states to examine whether or not to legalize SSM)
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