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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

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    I will address only 1 & 4, in order to keep it simple for you. What constitutional basis does one's strong personal desire have for rendering a state law discriminatory? When did this happen and why was not having SSM constitutional before "gay rights" became popular? In other words, what in the constitution declares SSM to be the (new?) law of the land?
    Why were interracial marriage bans constitutional until they weren't?

    Equal Protection declares SSM bans to be unconstitutional. Classification on the basis of gender requires that the classification serve an important state interest, Mr. Libertarian, sir. Supporters of SSM bans have failed to provide a compelling argument for such an interest.

    It's not up to me to prove why SSM should be legal. It's up to you to prove why it shouldn't. But surely you already believed that, being a libertarian and all.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why were interracial marriage bans constitutional until they weren't?

    Equal Protection declares SSM bans to be unconstitutional. Classification on the basis of gender requires that the classification serve an important state interest, Mr. Libertarian, sir. Supporters of SSM bans have failed to provide a compelling argument for such an interest.

    It's not up to me to prove why SSM should be legal. It's up to you to prove why it shouldn't. But surely you already believed that, being a libertarian and all.
    SSM is not a right for the same reason that polygamy is not a right; having a strong personal desire is not reason to have laws changed to accomodate that desire. The fact that business partnerships allow mutiple partners, and have no gender restrictions, does not mean that marriage prnerships must as well.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    1.)SSM is not a right for the same reason that polygamy is not a right
    2.); having a strong personal desire is not reason to have laws changed to accommodate that desire.
    3.) The fact that business partnerships allow multiple partners, and have no gender restrictions, does not mean that marriage prnerships must as well.

    I noticed you totally dodged his questions, this seems to be a trend.

    1.) SSM =/= to polygamy the legality is not the same BUT if polygamist would like to fight for that i support them
    2.) good thing this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and this straw man was already shown to be a failure
    3.) another strawman
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

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    post like these are so very telling, please feel free to post anything on topic, we'd love to hear it
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

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    Is there anything that hasn't been said on this subject? YAAAAWN
    again let us know when you have anything on topic otherwise move on lol
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why is the constitutional amendment process now ignored in favor of simply "reinterpreting" it to get the desired result? When we take bizarre steps to create constitutional "pseudo-amendments" that devalues the very document that was intended to protect those rights. We have two constitutional amendments relating to the recreational drug alcohol, one to ban it and one to undo that ban, yet none were deemed necessary to establish/remove total federal control over the various other recreational drugs. Not a single mention of marriage, "strong personal desire" or "sexual preference/orientation" exists in the constitution.
    Really? I've been told on other forums that TX's state constitution specifically prohibits SSM. Same for Michigan.

    Of course, I told those folks that posted that that if the feds recognize gays as a protected class, that particular amendment wont stand up to state challenges.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Really? I've been told on other forums that TX's state constitution specifically prohibits SSM. Same for Michigan.

    Of course, I told those folks that posted that that if the feds recognize gays as a protected class, that particular amendment wont stand up to state challenges.
    A protected class?
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

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    Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban - The Washington Post



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    Two couples challenge Texas gay marriage ban - Your Houston News: News
    2 couples challenge Texas



    Yeeehaaaa!

    Welcome to the fight Texas, another state added to the list of places fighting for equal rights for gays!!!

    This case and two others may bring texas in to the front of the line behind Ohio (Dec) and in front of Michigan(Feb 2014) and PA(June 2014) for next state to protect equal rights and end discrimination and or bigotry.

    This is one case i missed, it so hard to keep up because the landscape is changing so fast thanks to the fall of DOMA, thanks again Wolfsgirl for letting me know.


    If anybody else has more up to date info let me know please and feel free to add it here:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...g-soon-70.html



    We may win some, we may lose some but Equal Rights is winning!!!!!


    Updates in red: 11/30/2013 V1.0

    16 states and DC have equal rights:

    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    FALL OD DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013 effective
    Illinois - June 1, 2014 effective


    17 more are in various stages of fighting or establishing a fight for equal rights

    New Mexico – is granting equal rights for now and the SSC is going to decided on this soon

    Court Case(s) in the works to establish equal rights:
    Arkansas
    Kentucky
    Michigan (Feb 2014 Trial)
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
    South Carolina
    Texas (Jan 2014 Trial)
    Utah


    Court Case(s) and Legislation in the works, which ever wins first:
    Arizona
    Nevada
    Ohio (December 2013 trial)


    Legislation in the works:
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon

    thats 33 states that could have equal rights by 2015 and some much sooner!
    I think it will be interesting to see how this goes. I know everyone seems to think these court cases will go their way, but one never knows on what part of the constitution that will end up deciding a case like this. Is it who has control of marriage? States issue the licenses, so it is probably the states. Is it an equal opportunity or equal rights case? Most think so, but the courts have ruled on things so many times that made no sense to me I think I will just have to wait and see.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A protected class?
    Yes, like race or gender. Some states already recognize sexual orientation as a protected class that may not be discriminated against. That is not the case yet at the federal level.
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