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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I'm not sure that I follow you here. It is good to have federal control over state marriage laws, but bad to have consistent 2A laws among the states? Marriage is a state contract law issue, individual gun rights are actually in the US constitution. If my gun "rights" can change when I cross state/county/city lines then why not my marriage "rights"?

    2A laws are a completely different discussion and I think cc or oc should be allowed without permits in every state & DC.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I'm not sure that I follow you here. It is good to have federal control over state marriage laws, but bad to have consistent 2A laws among the states? Marriage is a state contract law issue, individual gun rights are actually in the US constitution. If my gun "rights" can change when I cross state/county/city lines then why not my marriage "rights"?
    Red herring. Gun carry laws would be a 2nd amendment challenge, not an equal protection challenge. Feel free to take up those laws in court, but this thread is about same sex marriage. Man you rally keep trying to change the subject.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Red herring. Gun carry laws would be a 2nd amendment challenge, not an equal protection challenge. Feel free to take up those laws in court, but this thread is about same sex marriage. Man you rally keep trying to change the subject.
    Some people actually want the constituion to be understood without so much interpretation.

    Explain the need for the 15th and 19th amendments using your interpretation of the 14th.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I like how you don't mind a state government or a simple majority vote of citizens stripping someone of their rights, and it's only a problem if the federal government does it.
    No one is stripped of their rights by declaring the definition of marriage to be 1 man and 1 woman. The right you possess in this context is the right of association. Interfering or declaring illegal a particular living arrangement among consenting adults would be a rights violation. No individual or no nation is obligated to accept any random association as a legal marriage.

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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Beer has provided links to the Const. to back up his position....according to his interpretation. I would like to see the same for your position as he requested. It sounded like you were making a claim to me as well.
    the was meaningless, I was asked to prove, and i quote "show me where SCOTUS has the right to give themselves more power"

    why is this request meaningless because its something i NEVER said

    i asked about 6 times for a link/quote of me saying that. Each time the request was dodged because its something i never said.

    so theres nothign to provide unless of course you can quote me saying that which i never did.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Really Agent, this makes about an even dozen for you on this subject. I just don't see how there is anything left to say, not anything new anyway. You may be the one that needs to move on.
    Translation: you still got nothing, we know. Lets us know when you have anythign on topic, anything.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the was meaningless, I was asked to prove, and i quote "show me where SCOTUS has the right to give themselves more power"

    why is this request meaningless because its something i NEVER said

    i asked about 6 times for a link/quote of me saying that. Each time the request was dodged because its something i never said.

    so theres nothign to provide unless of course you can quote me saying that which i never did.
    Well He started out asking for sources that applied to marriage. This is pretty much what we were looking for sources for (bold) :


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This is true....there is no 'right to marry.' However the federal govt chooses to confer benefits and privileges (and some penalties) on married couples, so it comes down to an issue of discrimination. And discrimination is covered in the Constitution.

    The gray area is whether or not the federal govt will recognize, as some states have, sexual orientation as a protected class. (And the threat of this has likely driven many of the current states to examine whether or not to legalize SSM)
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    1.) just for clarification marriage actually is a right has determined by SCOTUS 14 different times

    2.) this is coming, not sure when but it is coming
    The rest got 'convoluted' from there.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Let me get this straight: you think granting equal rights to more people somehow devalues the protection of rights that the constitution provides?
    Well let me straighten you out then - granting equal rights to any group that already has equal rights under the Constitution devalues the very Constitution that already guarantees those rights.
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    Re: Two couples file federal suit to overturn Texas same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    1/)Well He started out asking for sources that applied to marriage. This is pretty much what we were looking for sources for (bold) :






    The rest got 'convoluted' from there.
    oooooooh i know what YOU want now but whos we because thats not what was asked for by anybody.

    If you would like a link to SCOTUS referring to marriage as a right 14 times i can do that, its easy, me and many people have provided that info many times.
    Give me a second and ill simply Google it, i dont have it saved.
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