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    China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    BEIJING (AP) China launched two fighter planes Friday to investigate flights by a dozen U.S. and Japanese reconnaissance and military planes in its new maritime air defense zone over the East China Sea, state media said.
    While this may simply be posturing, it still is very dangerous to have war planes in such proximity to each other. My question: How likely is this to cause a conflict in the East China Sea? How serious should we take China's procolomation of "unspecified defensive measures against those that don't comply."

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    I would say either grant them the air space or keep flying though it . Looks to me like we intend to keep flying through it. Probably some diplomatic ploy. They will drop the airspace idea if we do something too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    While this may simply be posturing, it still is very dangerous to have war planes in such proximity to each other. My question: How likely is this to cause a conflict in the East China Sea? How serious should we take China's procolomation of "unspecified defensive measures against those that don't comply."
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    The Chinese can't sell us anything by shooting down a military plane. No, they're just posturing and making themselves feel important. In the meantime, why are we flying military planes in their airspace? Same reason, maybe?
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    While this may simply be posturing, it still is very dangerous to have war planes in such proximity to each other. My question: How likely is this to cause a conflict in the East China Sea? How serious should we take China's procolomation of "unspecified defensive measures against those that don't comply."
    It depends on China.

    It seems we're going to continue to fly through there, as we should, and the Japan will as well.

    If China doesn't do anything other than come up and take a look, we should be fine.

    If China tries to force on of our aircraft to land (as they did with the Navy P3 a few years back) or divert to out of the area, then we could have some trouble.

    And of course, if they take a shot? The it could go ugly early.

    Hope for the best; that China reverses their provocative and aggressive move to claim that area. But given that they would lose face internationally, who knows if they'll back down.

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    If they shoot at us couldnt we just shoot them down, flip them the bird and declare ourselves debt free?
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    It depends on China.

    It seems we're going to continue to fly through there, as we should, and the Japan will as well.

    If China doesn't do anything other than come up and take a look, we should be fine.

    If China tries to force on of our aircraft to land (as they did with the Navy P3 a few years back) or divert to out of the area, then we could have some trouble.

    And of course, if they take a shot? The it could go ugly early.

    Hope for the best; that China reverses their provocative and aggressive move to claim that area. But given that they would lose face internationally, who knows if they'll back down.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    I'm somewhat concerned because the Chinese have backed themselves into a corner. They obviously did not anticipate such a strong reaction from the United States and the coordination of her allies in challenging this zone. But now that they have committed to it so strongly the only options are to retract it, enforce it, or not enforce it. Two of those choices are deeply embarrassing, and one would be catastrophic. I don't know what they were thinking, this is amateur hour at the Politburo.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Of course they know what they can get away with (I hope).
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm somewhat concerned because the Chinese have backed themselves into a corner. They obviously did not anticipate such a strong reaction from the United States and the coordination of her allies in challenging this zone. But now that they have committed to it so strongly the only options are to retract it, enforce it, or not enforce it. Two of those choices are deeply embarrassing, and one would be catastrophic. I don't know what they were thinking, this is amateur hour at the Politburo.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If they shoot at us couldnt we just shoot them down, flip them the bird and declare ourselves debt free?
    I'd vote for that...

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm somewhat concerned because the Chinese have backed themselves into a corner. They obviously did not anticipate such a strong reaction from the United States and the coordination of her allies in challenging this zone. But now that they have committed to it so strongly the only options are to retract it, enforce it, or not enforce it. Two of those choices are deeply embarrassing, and one would be catastrophic. I don't know what they were thinking, this is amateur hour at the Politburo.
    That's part of my concern as well.

    Can they live with the embarrassment of will they fight their way out of it?

    Hopefully their not that ideologically entrenched.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I would say either grant them the air space or keep flying though it . Looks to me like we intend to keep flying through it. Probably some diplomatic ploy. They will drop the airspace idea if we do something too.
    An interesting side note: it just so happened that the Chinese have chosen to go ahead with sea trials of their first carrier, the Liaoning, that will be sailing through the East China Sea and into the South China Sea where they also have disputes with the Philippines over some islands. The George Washington is also in the area, assisting with humanitarian efforts with the recent Philippine earthquake. I wonder if the US will attempt to show the flag in the area, and if the Chinese would (i believe inevitably) flex it's muscles with it's own aircraft carrier. Food for thought.

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