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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    According the Jane's, they've deployed with aircraft to this event.
    For trials, yes.

    But even if it were two fully-operational J-15s, it might as well be nothing. It would be almost entirely combat-ineffective.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Starting with the Clinton cuts in the 90s and now with the further enormous damage done by Obama, the United States does not have the naval capability to fight wars on two oceans at the same time. China and all of our other enemies know this.

    The liberal idea has always been that if America were very weak, unilaterally disarmed, all of our enemies would put down their arms and be nice to us and it would be playtime and lovey-dovey for everyone.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is all about plans, theory, could, maybe. That's a far, far cry from it being reality, as you say it is.

    It also entirely discounts any countermeasures on our part.
    And most of those counter-measures are still on the drawing board. And as far as the present US Naval Strategies, too many times in military have a nation been caught fighting the last war.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    For trials, yes.

    But even if it were two fully-operational J-15s, it might as well be nothing. It would be almost entirely combat-ineffective.
    We can only hope. The Jane's article I read said two squadrons. I did a search and can't find it, and that's why I didn't mention it in the previous post.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    We can only hope. The Jane's article I read said two squadrons. I did a search and can't find it, and that's why I didn't mention it in the previous post.
    Even your video (with all the dramatic music) only showed two (552 and 553) with their test markings still on them. I haven't seen anything which indicates they've moved beyond that.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    And most of those counter-measures are still on the drawing board. And as far as the present US Naval Strategies, too many times in military have a nation been caught fighting the last war.
    Well, it's a moot point, considering the things that they're supposed to counter are conjectural themselves at this point. So now, they couldn't shut it down in a few minutes if they wanted to.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In the meantime, why are we flying military planes in their airspace?
    It's not their airspace.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, I really say that this:



    Is a gross overstatement.

    This is all about plans, theory, could, maybe. That's a far, far cry from it being reality, as you say it is.

    It also entirely discounts any countermeasures on our part.
    ....I'm not sure I would call it a "gross" overstatement". The DF-21D is no joke, and Chinese A2AD is a very serious issue.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Their J-15 isn't ready; at the moment, it's at best a chopper carrier. You mean the clip from Red October?
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....I'm not sure I would call it a "gross" overstatement". The DF-21D is no joke, and Chinese A2AD is a very serious issue.
    I don't mean to say they have no capabilities.
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