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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hdreamz View Post
    Exactly, China is simply hedging its bets and seeing what it can get away with. Possession of the islands would allow for large extension of their maritime rights and any resources found therein... It also doesn't help that the Chinese are still pissed at the Japanese over the lack of a sufficient apology for its actions in the 30's and 40's.
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    So, is the OP wrong in saying "in its new maritime air defense zone", or is there a dispute over just where their air defense zone is?

    It's quite a way from the USA.....
    You learn real quick that China believes that all that she can see, is hers. Actually, I'd be hard pressed to think of a neighbor she hasn't been at war with in the last 100 years. Russia, India, Tibet, Vietnam, Japan....

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hdreamz View Post
    Exactly, China is simply hedging its bets and seeing what it can get away with. Possession of the islands would allow for large extension of their maritime rights and any resources found therein... It also doesn't help that the Chinese are still pissed at the Japanese over the lack of a sufficient apology for its actions in the 30's and 40's.
    Long lived hatreds die hard, and are a prime causal factor for military conflict. Just look at the Middle East. Those guys are still fighting in reprisal for the Crusades in the 11th through 13th centuries.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Fair point, still it isn't stopping them from doing sea Trials in the South China Sea.

    China's aircraft carrier leaves for sea trials
    No, you don't need planes for sea trials. But that's a long way from being operational.

    Keep in mind, also, that just having a carrier doesn't mean you know how to run and use one effectively. That comes from experience and naval tradition, neither of which China has.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    When I get home i will see if I can find the article I read on that carrier a while back. It kinda sounded like a clown car instead of a serious carrier.
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    Fair point, still it isn't stopping them from doing sea Trials in the South China Sea.

    China's aircraft carrier leaves for sea trials
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Japan seems to ignore the fact that it has demarcated a similar identification zone in the East China Sea for years, and has expanded this zone over the years. The western-most line of Japan's zone stretches all the way to China and is only about 135km (84 miles) from China's coast at the closest point.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Long lived hatreds die hard, and are a prime causal factor for military conflict. Just look at the Middle East. Those guys are still fighting in reprisal for the Crusades in the 11th through 13th centuries.
    Im 3rd generation Dutch/British Boer... And I still think an airstrike on Paris would improve European discourse, what you gonna do...
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's an old Russian carrier they've been futzing with for years. They don't have any operational planes to fly from it.
    The only thing old on that carrier is the ships hull. The carrier was completely gutted and rebuilt from the keel up with a new propulsion and power generating system, electronics. advanced radars, communications and weapons systems. There's little that is old on that carrier.

    What the worlds naval community are asking, how will the Chinese use their carrier ? Sea lane control, air strike, surface warfare or as an ASW carrier ? Nobody knows yet.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    While this may simply be posturing, it still is very dangerous to have war planes in such proximity to each other. My question: How likely is this to cause a conflict in the East China Sea? How serious should we take China's procolomation of "unspecified defensive measures against those that don't comply."
    Not to derail the thread, but...

    I just want to mention that I am very impressed with your posts I have read, and the threads you have started. You seem to be a pretty level headed person, and I enjoy reading you posts.

    Glad you joined the forum. Just sayin'...

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Psst, he is a hamster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but...

    I just want to mention that I am very impressed with your posts I have read, and the threads you have started. You seem to be a pretty level headed person, and I enjoy reading you posts.

    Glad you joined the forum. Just sayin'...
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You learn real quick that China believes that all that she can see, is hers. Actually, I'd be hard pressed to think of a neighbor she hasn't been at war with in the last 100 years. Russia, India, Tibet, Vietnam, Japan....
    All rising powers do the same... Macedonia/Rome/Mongol/Holy Roman/Nordic/Portuguese/Spanish/Dutch/French/British/American... and now the Chinese, India has similar disputes....
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