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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    We use to have CVS ASW carriers but no longer.
    Now we have LHDs, which pretty much ARE CVSes.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Now we have LHDs, which pretty much ARE CVSes.
    True, and the word is they will be used for that purpose. It's also planned to use them as a small strike carrier with one FA-35 B squadron (12 ac) aboard to provide CAS for Marines who are ashore.

    An LHD with a squadron of ASW helicopters and a detachment of FA-35 B (6 ac) aboard could provide escorts for convoys and be used for sea lane control.

    But an LHD isn't fast enough to keep up with a Carrier Strike Group.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You keep saying this -- "YOU would risk a potential war." You will not give the slightest quarter to the idea that it's CHINA who's risking a potential war -- or even that they have any culpability at all along those lines. You think China is the good guy here, and that we, by continuing to use the air routes we've used for almost 70 years, are the aggressor.

    It's CHINA who's risking the war with us, THE superpower. But no; to you, that's a wise move.
    and you keep failing to follow the thread. The poster said in the quote that he "wanted a war with China", please read what I'm actually quoting before you jump in.

    To your point but China being the aggressor I agree they are but Japan, Korea and the US are also acting aggressively. Your flying fighter jets and bombers only a few hundred miles from their coast and you navy patrols the region, eventually they were going to try and push you out.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    and you keep failing to follow the thread. The poster said in the quote that he "wanted a war with China", please read what I'm actually quoting before you jump in.
    Where?
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Where?
    Yeh I will run and find you that quote right after I'm done polishing your shoes and preparing dinner.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yeh I will run and find you that quote right after I'm done polishing your shoes and preparing dinner.
    He didn't say what you said he did. If you're going to get after me for not reading the thread, you should at least not make things up about it.
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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    On the islands? Weeds.

    Under the islands and the surrounding sea? Oil.

    Plus, this extension by China would also move their ADIZ out to a point that is would make it more difficult for the US to come to the aid of Taiwan if China decided to get stupid. This ADIZ cuts the routes from Korea and Japan to Taiwan.

    I think the oil is north and east. The Senkakus are mostly 'valuable' for fishing and as a matter of national pride.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Those newer Japanese destroyers are more than "decent" they are excellent warships, especially the Kongo class destroyers.
    The 'decent' ships I was referring to were the newer Chinese ones, not the Japanese ones. As I said, the newest Japanese destroyers are Arleigh Burke class copies...top notch destroyers (IMO).

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Turkey and Greece used to do this dozens of times a year, (and still do from time to time) I think at the very worst we will see something low key like the Sino-Soviet border conflict, given that both sides have a strong disincentive to escalate.

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    Re: China warplanes tail U.S. and Japan fighter jets; How Far Will China Go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    To your point though, if we don't honor our treaties with other countries, wouldn't that cause us to lose all credibility? How could we then expect any nation to honor their treaties with us?
    That is why I say America should redo the treaties.

    Most of these agreements were a) when the Cold War was still on and b) when America was (outside of the U.S.S.R.) by FAR the most powerful country in the world AND by miles the largest economy. She could afford such luxuries as policing the free world.

    Now, America is massively in debt, the economy is being propped up by smoke and mirrors (QE/artificially low interest rates) and is practically stagnant.
    And China is fast gaining on America's economic supremacy.

    America helped the world massively during the generation after WW2. Now it's time the world looked after itself and stop looking to Americans to clean up their messes whenever they get into trouble.

    As for losing credibility?

    IMO, between Gitmo, the NSA spying on almost EVERYONE and the drone strikes (which are technical acts of war in many cases), America is losing a TON of credibility by butting in to everyone else's business.

    It's time America looked after itself and let other countries fix their own local/regional messes.

    And if they don't like it - I could care less.

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