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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

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    A truly unholy alliance is when religion gets involved with the state, the state with crony capitalism, and all three with the military.
    Is this cat the National Socialist, or was tthat the last dude?
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah... it's not like christianity was founded on principles of sharing wealth, renouncing materialism and caring for the poor. Those are all 20th century leftist principles.
    Yes it was, but this is the responsibility of the church and not the government. It's a personal thing done within the church, not a compulsory thing forced upon by the government. The main focus is using wealth to glorify God and realize that this life is temporary with heaven being eternal. The principals are in line with Christian theology, but if the pope is pushing for government enforcement of this then he's mistaken and isn't properly understanding the role the church and individual Christian's life play when it comes to charity, caring for the poor, and living a non-materialistic life.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

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    Pope issues mission statement for papacy



    I'm by no means a fan of the Catholic Church. It's a corrupt group of old men presiding over who gets rich from the poor.
    However, I'm definitely an ideological fan of this pope. Though I doubt he'll restore the church in his lifetime, I do find him to be far more open to change than his predecessors. He's tackling internal issues. He's attacking a society that sees wealth as a goal and not a means. I definitely like him
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    I agree. Pope Francis is a welcome change from what we have seen in the past.

    Like you I doubt that he will make all of the changes that need to be made, but every journey starts with the first step and he has taken that step.

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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is this cat the National Socialist, or was that the last dude?
    The present dude-in-chief is involved in Crony Capitalism and social experiments with the Military but his religion is still open to question.

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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes it was, but this is the responsibility of the church and not the government. It's a personal thing done within the church, not a compulsory thing forced upon by the government. The main focus is using wealth to glorify God and realize that this life is temporary with heaven being eternal.The principals are in line with Christian theology, but if the pope is pushing for government enforcement of this then he's mistaken and isn't properly understanding the role the church and individual Christian's life play when it comes to charity, caring for the poor, and living a non-materialistic life.
    There are so many fallacies in this post I simply highlighted them in different colors. Red is strawman 1. Blue is a nonsequitur. Green is strawman 2.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There are so many fallacies in this post I simply highlighted them in different colors. Red is strawman 1. Blue is a nonsequitur. Green is strawman 2.
    Only two colors were necessary but, in any case, this is the first time I've seen debate via color coding. We'll see if this precedent catches on.

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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There are so many fallacies in this post I simply highlighted them in different colors. Red is strawman 1. Blue is a nonsequitur. Green is strawman 2.
    Pretty colors does not a rebuttal make. But you can proclaim what you want if it makes you feel better
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Pretty colors does not a rebuttal make. But you can proclaim what you want if it makes you feel better
    It's a rebuttal in the sense that you made a giant strawman argument out of the pope's words. He doesn't even mention the government or making anything compulsory. His message is out to the human species as a whole.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Only two colors were necessary but, in any case, this is the first time I've seen debate via color coding. We'll see if this precedent catches on.
    I disagree. I think the text in green is an expansion of the red fallacy with the addition of an entirely new fallacy about church doctrine.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's a rebuttal in the sense that you made a giant strawman argument out of the pope's words. He doesn't even mention the government or making anything compulsory. His message is out to the human species as a whole.
    No, those are my words and my theology as a Christian based on Biblical teaching contrasting with what the pope is advocating. I apologize if it appeared that I was trying to talk for the pope, I'm just merely pointing out why he's likely wrong if (and I did say if) he is advocating for government policy on the issue.
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