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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    As is antipathy and dislike of organized religion as well as disgusting ridicule of the Holy Trinity itself. To attempt to appeal to those who will not accept your Grace while at the same time turning from the hopeful and waiting faithful is a serious mistake that your infantile sarcasm only reinforces.
    Somebody's been hitting the thesaurus hard and yet can't manage to make a complete sentence. The only mistake here is your claim that rejection of wealth, materialism and helping your fellow man are "talking points of the American left".
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    he also decried the church's "obsession" with rules and doctrine and said in some cases, the church's old customs can be cast aside if they no longer serve to communicate the faith.
    I always thought this was a strong asset to the Church. It can retain what traditions and rituals it finds are needed and then calculate when it's no longer necessary, relevant, or is preventing them from gaining a great collection of followers.

    It's own theology I have less concern over. I just wish them good luck in being masters of conversion, hope they retain their institutional hierarchy, and survive through time.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's attacking a society that sees wealth as a goal and not a means. I definitely like him.
    This is ironic in that to many people, promoting the poor and attacking wealth is seen as a goal and not a means.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The Pope is making a mistake by trying to subtly adopt the agenda and talking points of the American left. In the long run, this will greatly weaken the Catholic Church.
    On the contrary, if it is done correctly, it can strengthen the Church. You don't want to give into every temptation, surely, but adapting to the times is necessary. The Catholic Church is a remarkable calculating group. I think that's rather admirable.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    He probably has good intentions but sounds like he doesn't understand economics.
    Granted, but his position is largely to remind people of the fictitious nature of it and return people to another mode of thought.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah... it's not like christianity was founded on principles of sharing wealth, renouncing materialism
    The inherent conflict between these principles gives rise to a lot cognitive dissonance in the church. "It's not about money! But please, oh pretty please will you share some of your money?"

    The Pope is calling for positive social and economic rights, and promoting the notion that governments should institute them. Positive social and economic rights are the main differentiations between western constitutions and soviet constitutions. Our nation was founded on negative political rights (freedoms/protections), not positive social/economic rights (entitlements).

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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Granted, but his position is largely to remind people of the fictitious nature of it and return people to another mode of thought.
    Wasn't that 'other mode of thought' intended towards the spiritual side of mankind? Economics is not really their specialty.

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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't think that's the point. I don't think he is promoting himself as an economist. The point is that caring for our fellow man and not just ourselves should be central to our policies and our thinking. Odd that you could read something so profound and only get out of it a criticism because it does not promote capitalism. Good grief.
    This os why we have a seperation of church and state. The only thing worse than greedy politicians are greedy priests who are authoritated by a greedy government.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Wasn't that 'other mode of thought' intended towards the spiritual side of mankind? Economics is not really their specialty.
    Yes, which includes reminding people that their systems of economics must bow to greater purposes, which includes throwing aside notions of malthusian or ricardo constructs and a hands-off approach to dealing with the poor and the destitute.
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    Re: Pope issues mission statement for papacy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This os why we have a seperation of church and state. The only thing worse than greedy politicians are greedy priests who are authoritated by a greedy government.
    A truly unholy alliance is when religion gets involved with the state, the state with crony capitalism, and all three with the military.

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