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    US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    Gotta draw the line somewhere. Otherwise they just keep pushing the limit.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    If you don't understand why the US would do this, then you don't understand how China and "creep" work. US is protecting it's own and Japan's interests in the area and seems unwilling to simply cede to a Chinese expansion of territorial influence.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Gotta draw the line somewhere. Otherwise they just keep pushing the limit.
    I agree but these islands are an on going issue and have been a issue for a few years now, personally would like to see the US sitting both parties down and trying to talk this out. Just seem's very agressive to fly two b-52's the day after they announce their new air defence.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I agree but these islands are an on going issue and have been a issue for a few years now, personally would like to see the US sitting both parties down and trying to talk this out. Just seem's very agressive to fly two b-52's the day after they announce their new air defence.
    I don't think we're ever going to see the Chinese and Japanese sit down and talk about anything, even with the master of illusion, Obama in the room. We've already made our position on the ownership of those islands very clear.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    Wow, does that seem stupid. The ONLY motivation I can see for doing so is to try to push China deeper into an arms race - which of course is something the military defense industry always wants.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I agree but these islands are an on going issue and have been a issue for a few years now, personally would like to see the US sitting both parties down and trying to talk this out. Just seem's very agressive to fly two b-52's the day after they announce their new air defence.
    I don't see any reason why we should give a **** about those islands.

    Personally, I think declaring Japan our ally and China our enemy immediately after WWII - even declaring China doesn't exist for decades - was among the worst foreign policy decisions in USA history.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't see any reason why we should give a **** about those islands.

    Personally, I think declaring Japan our ally and China our enemy immediately after WWII - even declaring China doesn't exist for decades - was among the worst foreign policy decisions in USA history.
    No one does, the issue is Chinese expansion and aggressiveness.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you don't understand why the US would do this, then you don't understand how China and "creep" work. US is protecting it's own and Japan's interests in the area and seems unwilling to simply cede to a Chinese expansion of territorial influence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    No one does, the issue is Chinese expansion and aggressiveness.
    Both, well said.

    This is the reason. If we don't stand now, then when and where? When they decide that Guam should be Chinese? Or Hawaii?

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't see any reason why we should give a **** about those islands.

    Personally, I think declaring Japan our ally and China our enemy immediately after WWII - even declaring China doesn't exist for decades - was among the worst foreign policy decisions in USA history.
    China was never a very good ally of the US. They were allies of convenience like the Soviets were in WWII.

    The Republic of China did not like the Americans, and the feeling was mutual, the US was looking to support a US friendly regime in China, but the Chinese Republic didn't want American involvement in their internal politics.

    Unfortunately this left the Republic vulnerable to the Chinese Communist party after the war, and within a few years the country was locked in a civil war with the communists while having few friends willing to help out.

    The knee jerk reaction seems to always be to blame the US for everything, but the Chinese government before, during and after WWII was incredibly stupid in about every facet of governance.
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