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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Because if you ignore something new, over time it becomes de facto maritime/aviation law.

    Gaddafi tried to do a similar thing in 1986: Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Additionally, navies of a variety of other nations and ours challenge their South China Sea claims on a yearly basis.

    No one is saying that China can't have an ADIZ (Air defense Identification Zone), but everyone contests them setting one up unilaterally, extending so far out to sea amid several other nations, and covering contested islands. Oh, and they should probably negotiate a little bit before setting one up.

    For example, look south of the florida keys in our ADIZ: File:ADIZ Boundaries.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Obviously we aren't going to extend our ADIZ out to Cuba because that would be too aggressive a claim.
    And you have no legitimate claim to cuba.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    It's an "arse," not an "ass". "Ass" was invented by Christians who thought by them saying "ass" big dumb God wouldn't realise they were "swearing," and thereby "sinning," by mentioning one of the dirty icky bits he so despises below their belts. You would have noticed that God is much mollified when we "make love" rather than shock him to his goody two-shoes core by having a feral unfeigned ---k*. And how he prefers we use sanitary Latin or infantile language - such as "pussy" - to describe our dirty bits and their filthy sinful functions.

    *women have extreme difficulty exhorting their sexual partner to just "make love me....make love me"!! when the are about to cu....O-o-ps, climax and more often than not will substitute the "make love" with the sinfully hissed "---k".....thereby condemning their soul to Hell forever for every ---k they utter.
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    And you have no legitimate claim to cuba.
    Didn't realize I was speaking to Captain Obvious here. What other sky opening revelations will you have for us today?

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Who died and made you the world police?
    The American servicemembers who died ending the two wars the rest of the world dragged us into.

    When the rest of the world can act like civilized people and not savage barbarians then it won't be necessary to be "the world's police".
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    They keep pushing the limit? They?

    We are the ones provoking them. When is the last time any foreign (possible enemy) nation flew aircraft near or over US air space?

    If China flew over some Aleutian Islands people like you would be screaming your head off, right?
    It isn't Chinese air space. The provocation comes from the unilateral extension of an air security corridor with the attendant implication of military authority over an area that is currently ruled & administered by another power, claimed by two others, and has been widely regarded as a status quo zone for the better part of 20 years. The United States is perfectly correct in preventing an effective Chinese territorial grab.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Didn't realize I was speaking to Captain Obvious here. What other sky opening revelations will you have for us today?
    Guess I will spell it out for you.

    You brought up Cuba saying it would be like the US claiming Cuban airspace, this isn't the case as you have no legimate reason to do that where as China do. Your comparing an island where you have no historical connection and is inhabited by a population of a few million with a working government to a bunch of unihabited islands.

    I would appreciate if you dropped the attiude as well, if doesnt make you sound big or clever.
    Last edited by Higgins86; 11-27-13 at 12:28 PM.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    yeh obviously your not the smartest of the bunch so I will spell it out for you.

    You brought up Cuba saying it would be like the US claiming Cuban airspace, this isn't the case as you have no legimate reason to do that where as China do. Your comparing an island where you have no historical connection and is inhabited by a population of a few million with a working government to a bunch of unihabited islands.

    I would appreciate if you dropped the attiude as well, if doesnt make you sound big or clever.
    The Chinese and Japanese claim to the Senkaku's goes back to the 1890's. During that same period we invaded Cuba and reconstituted the state, moreover we have held a piece of territory there for almost a century. If this is the metric we're using for a solid historical claim it is just as flimsy. China has no claim or inherent right to extend its military zone by fiat, and we are right to oppose this territorial grab.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The Chinese and Japanese claim to the Senkaku's goes back to the 1890's. During that same period we invaded Cuba and reconstituted the state, moreover we have held a piece of territory there for almost a century. If this is the metric we're using for a solid historical claim it is just as flimsy. China has no claim or inherent right to extend its military zone by fiat, and we are right to oppose this territorial grab.
    They disagree, they claim that it was Japan who were the aggressors and claimed the islands during their empire building days. China state that they would of made a claim on the islands after WW2 if they wern't under US adminstration. The PRC and the ROC argue that evidence prior to the First Sino-Japanese War indicates Chinese possession and that the territory is accordingly a Japanese seizure that should be returned as the rest of Imperial Japan's conquests were returned in 1945.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    It's an "arse," not an "ass". "Ass" was invented by Christians who thought by them saying "ass" big dumb God wouldn't realise they were "swearing," and thereby "sinning," by mentioning one of the dirty icky bits he so despises below their belts. You would have noticed that God is much mollified when we "make love" rather than shock him to his goody two-shoes core by having a feral unfeigned ---k*. And how he prefers we use sanitary Latin or infantile language - such as "pussy" - to describe our dirty bits and their filthy sinful functions.

    *women have extreme difficulty exhorting their sexual partner to just "make love me....make love me"!! when the are about to cu....O-o-ps, climax and more often than not will substitute the "make love" with the sinfully hissed "---k".....thereby condemning their soul to Hell forever for every ---k they utter.
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    They disagree, they claim that it was Japan who were the aggressors and claimed the islands during their empire building days. China state that they would of made a claim on the islands after WW2 if they wern't under US adminstration. The PRC and the ROC argue that evidence prior to the First Sino-Japanese War indicates Chinese possession and that the territory is accordingly a Japanese seizure that should be returned as the rest of Imperial Japan's conquests were returned in 1945.
    It's a unilateral territorial grab. Don't know why that's so difficult to fathom.
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