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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Both, well said.

    This is the reason. If we don't stand now, then when and where? When they decide that Guam should be Chinese? Or Hawaii?
    It's not for me, as a Canadian, to say when or if the US should use force, but I can comment on the why or the what ifs. I would say as well that usually in life when bullies are faced with resistance, they generally back down - bullies like to test the limits of their prey - in this case, the US is indicating where those limits may lie. It may be different next time, as China gets militarily stronger, but it's good to set limits while you can.
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's not for me, as a Canadian, to say when or if the US should use force, but I can comment on the why or the what ifs. I would say as well that usually in life when bullies are faced with resistance, they generally back down - bullies like to test the limits of their prey - in this case, the US is indicating where those limits may lie. It may be different next time, as China gets militarily stronger, but it's good to set limits while you can.
    As a Canadian, you have every right to be concerned with the action of China that may impact the entire world. And, you have every right to voice your opinion regarding the actions of any other country, including the US. Whether I agree with you or not is my right. On this particular topic, and many others I have read you opine on, we agree.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    Because Japan is our ally and we fly in that area out of Okinawa. China was staking out a position in an attempt to claim power over Japanese airspace and the ability to limit our and our partner nations' operations. I'm not much a fan of the administration, but this was precisely the right move - demonstrate the Chinese claim to be toothless by raising the stakes beyond their willingness to match.

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Both, well said.

    This is the reason. If we don't stand now, then when and where? When they decide that Guam should be Chinese? Or Hawaii?
    I don't think its as simple as that, unlike Guam and Hawaii these are uninhabited islands. Japan claimed them in 1895 during their aggressive expanision period, during this period as many of you know Japan murdered and raped their way through Asia. The debate over these islands runs deeper than China just trying to "flex" and it is also worth pointing out that China are not the only Asian power who disagrees with Japan over who own's these islands.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    As a Canadian, you have every right to be concerned with the action of China that may impact the entire world. And, you have every right to voice your opinion regarding the actions of any other country, including the US. Whether I agree with you or not is my right. On this particular topic, and many others I have read you opine on, we agree.
    Thank you for the kind words - much appreciated - and I enjoy your posts, that I've seen during my time here. Part of the fun of being here is to be able to disagree or to share opinions that may get people thinking. I enjoy when people don't agree, if they have good reasons - but I also enjoy when people agree - good to be validated on occasion. And I have to just close by saying that America doesn't get near the validation they deserve from the rest of the world so I like to show some when I can.
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    Why does it not even occur to you to wonder why China is risking antagonizing us?
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why does it not even occur to you to wonder why China is risking antagonizing us?
    Because this feud has gone on for centuries and is much bigger than a simple powerplay from China and it is on their doorstep not yours.
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Because this feud has gone on for centuries and is much bigger than a simple powerplay from China and it is on their doorstep not yours.
    It's on Japan's "doorstep," too, and they agree with us. As the story said, flying through there is business as usual and has been since the end of WWII. It's China who's suddenly making the aggressive moves here and claiming things they haven't before.
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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's on Japan's "doorstep," too, and they agree with us. As the story said, flying through there is business as usual and has been since the end of WWII. It's China who's suddenly making the aggressive moves here and claiming things they haven't before.

    Oh no they have claimed these Islands on a number of occasions. You could argue that Japn have been equally aggressive with the purchuse of three of the disputed islands from their private owner.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone


    Two B-52 bonbers have challenged Chinas new air defence rules by flying over the disputed islands in the south china sea. This comes after Japan have refused to acknowledge China's new "air defence identification zone", US claim that normal procedures but China have warned that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".
    I feel that both sides have valid points here but from a neutral standpoint I don't understand why the US would risk antagonising China or risk a possible mis-communication which could result in shots being fired.
    So one day when China is feeling froggy and tells us they own the Pacific up to within 3 miles of Cali.

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