A deal has been made. Iran is now engaged with, "the international community", about the nuclear issue. Sanctions being lifted and business, billions worth of business, commencing between Iran and the rest of the world. Normal(er) relations.
The hawkish talk of how and when Israel attack Iran is mute. It is not going to happen.
The only way the deal goes thru is if Khamenei says it goes thru.....that's despite what team Obama says. Moreover the Saud is not happy. Knowing the US has been in secret talks. They Saud already do not trust what we are saying to them. So it's not just going to be Israel. They will end up replying with a response too.
According to a senior U.S. State Department official, Kerry told Zarif there could be no more delay. President Barack Obama's administration would call for even tighter sanctions on Iran unless a deal was reached now. Congress members were demanding new sanctions and the White House would join them.
By Saturday evening, the final language was personally approved by Obama in Washington. In a sign of how big a risk the Obama administration was taking, the main U.S. ally in the Middle East, Israel, decried what it called an "historic mistake", easing sanctions without dismantling Iran's nuclear program.
But Obama said the deal put limits down on Iran's nuclear program that would make it harder for Tehran to build a weapon and easier for the world to find out if it tried.
"Simply put, they cut off Iran's most likely paths to a bomb," Obama said in a late-night appearance at the White House after the deal was reached.
The deal was in part the result of months of secret talks held with Iran in such out-of-the-way places as Oman, with U.S. officials using military planes, side entrances and service elevators to avoid giving the game away.
According to the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, key Americans involved in the effort were William Burns, the U.S. deputy secretary of state, and Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser to U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.
The two men, at times with other officials such as White House national security staff member Puneet Talwar, met Iranian officials at least five times this year, the official said.
Burns, Sullivan and technical experts arrived in Muscat, Oman in March on a military plane - a way to preserve secrecy - to meet Iranians, the official added.....snip~
Special Report: 'Great Satan' meets 'Axis of Evil' and strikes a deal
This "deal" with Iran is pointless. Their goal is to destroy Israel and the US. The US is showing we do not have the stones to stand up to Iran and rid them of the means to build the bomb. Israel has the stones and the means to do what needs to be done. The sooner the better. Obama is a wimp. And Kerry has confirmed he never deserved the medals he tossed over the White House fence in the first place.
(... Chamberlain ... all over again... )
Moreover wasn't there something in the News about the Saud in deals with Pakistan over some nukes?
Why are they not entitled to nukes? Why does Israel have nukes then? Why do the UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and US have nukes then? You cant make it an exclusive club only for certain nations.. that is hypocrisy. Now I would agree in getting rid of em all, but denying them to other nations while you sit on your own supply is .. well very hypocritical.We're not talking about passing candy out to kids. "Mommy why can't I have what Johnnie has" isn't at play here. We're talking about nuclear ****ing weapons. Nations are not entitled to nukes. It's not a right.
Listen, I dont trust the Mullahs or any religious based nutjobs anywhere, but what track record are you talking about? Iran has not attacked any nation for centuries. Is it their support of their fellow Shai across the Arab world that you are complaining about?Iran doesn't have the track record that would support the global community allowing them to have nuclear weapons.
Nope, but I dont feel safe now with a paranoid nuclear Israel either. Why not deal with them as well then? I really worry about Israel attacking other countries, both with conventional weapons and certainly with nukes.Would you feel safer in a world with a nuclear Iran?
Nuclear any country is unacceptable, but that is not the point. Europe, Russia and America are on behalf of Israel and their Sunni allies saying.. no to Iran because we dont like you then you are not allowed to use nuclear power and make nukes with in your own country, but we are... seriously? That is like saying to children you are not allowed to smoke while you are sucking away at 3 cigs.. come on..European, Russian and American policy makers agree on that one - we merely differ on how we should arrive at that end. Nobody but the most radical among us believes that a nuclear Iran is an acceptable outcome.
Been in the works for years and was put on semi hold thanks to this and your shut down. Something about US trade negotiators not being able to buy plane tickets and hotel rooms..I wasn't even aware of a EU-US trade deal in the works, but I'm certain it won't be canceled as any trade deal would be as beneficial to Europe as it would to the US.... or you wouldn't make the deal to begin with.
There was one hell of a difference. China was caught (supposedly) spying on specific targets.. the US was caught spying on EVERYONE.I'm telling you Pete, nothing is going to come of it. The US caught China spying on us several times last year, and even the big bad USA didn't do diddly squat about it. Nada.
Oh they will huff and puff and there will be consequences in the short term.. the US will have to give something up in various negotiations. And if the EU parliament gets its way, then information sharing with the US will be seriously limited now. They basically want to treat the US the same way the US treats us when we ask for information or access ... ignore ignore delay.So I don't expect Europe to do much more than huff and puff and blow a little smoke around for public consumption. The higher-ups don't care. Spying is totally commonplace, and that's unfortunate.
I would think at this point that Israel realizes that they cant assume that Russia wont retaliate. Or Pakistan. All it would take is one nuke from either of those countries and Israel's 'life' as they know it is over. And their promised land will no longer be able to be rehabilitated and they'll have nowhere else to go.
Hopefully they realize that 'a permanent solution' is not one that they can live with either.
(Of course I realize it wouldnt necessarily stop with a strike on Israel...I could pray that was so but who knows where it would lead. But IMO it's got to be apparent to the Israelis that they could lose everything whether they take the rest of them down with them or not.)
Let's be realistic here. If Israel is truly threatened, they have tac-nukes. Not uncommon knowledge, just unspoken. Correct, a long term effective air campaign would be difficult for them. Don't count out them using nukes for this exact reason. An animal backed into a corner will rip you to shreds. An animal with nukes...he'll turn your facilities into glass parking lots, and add one in just as a reminder. Will they use the real scary stuff? No, I think as I stated that they will strictly use tac-warheads. Are those serious? Yes, of course, but they aren't exactly region ending 50MT warheads either. It spares them the risk of ground war, eliminates the possible failure of an air campaign, and it scares the region half to death that Israel has no problem opening up the sky.
Will Israel use them? I think they'll exhaust all clandestine Mossad options first. They are pretty damn good at what they do. However, Israel knows without the backing of the U.S., sabotage will only work for so long.
Pre-emptive strike....if I was a bookie, I wouldn't be taking bets against it. Again, they truly feel as though their future is on the line.
Could this erupt into something worse? Yep. Regional conflict for the next 30 years? Sure. Do I care? Nope. That region has been in some form of tribal warfare topping 4000 years now. Let them have at it.