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US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

It doesn't matter whether the president has a D or an R after his name. What matters is that we are able to verify that the Iranians have actually quit trying to make a bomb, and, if they haven't, that we reestablish the sanctions.

and, if the sanctions don't work, and Iran gets a nuke, then the (bleep!) will really hit the fan. Then the choices are between invading Iran, watching while Israel attacks Iran, Wringing our hands and hoping Iran doesn't actually use the nuke, or blaming the party of the of the president when and if they do get a nuke.

Unless there are some major changes in Congress, the latter option will be the choice made.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It doesn't matter whether the president has a D or an R after his name. What matters is that we are able to verify that the Iranians have actually quit trying to make a bomb, and, if they haven't, that we reestablish the sanctions.

and, if the sanctions don't work, and Iran gets a nuke, then the (bleep!) will really hit the fan. Then the choices are between invading Iran, watching while Israel attacks Iran, Wringing our hands and hoping Iran doesn't actually use the nuke, or blaming the party of the of the president when and if they do get a nuke.

Unless there are some major changes in Congress, the latter option will be the choice made.
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unfortunately past IS prelude
and if we look to the past, if we look to the incompetence of dicknbush, then we should recognize that the republican held white house will not enforce nonproliferation agreements
they failed to do so with north korea
and there is no reason to expect them to do better with the extant iranian NPT agreement
 
justabubba said:
unfortunately past IS prelude
and if we look to the past, if we look to the incompetence of dicknbush, then we should recognize that the republican held white house will not enforce nonproliferation agreements
they failed to do so with north korea
and there is no reason to expect them to do better with the extant iranian NPT agreement
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Correct.

Nor is there any reason to expect the Democrats to do any better either.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Correct.

Nor is there any reason to expect the Democrats to do any better either.
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if the iranians renege and Obama fails to re-impose the sanctions, then i will agree
until that happens, i cannot
but history has shown us that the last republican administration totally abdicated its responsibility to monitor and enforce the NK agreement
 
justabubba said:
if the iranians renege and Obama fails to re-impose the sanctions, then i will agree
until that happens, i cannot
but history has shown us that the last republican administration totally abdicated its responsibility to monitor and enforce the NK agreement
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It also shows us that the last Republican administration invaded Iraq in order to keep them from using their weapons of mass destruction and buying yellow cake uranium in order to start a nuclear program.

Now, let's wait for the Republican cheerleaders to tell us how it's all the Democrats' fault.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It also shows us that the last Republican administration invaded Iraq in order to keep them from using their weapons of mass destruction and buying yellow cake uranium in order to start a nuclear program.

Now, let's wait for the Republican cheerleaders to tell us how it's all the Democrats' fault.
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as if the loss of 4489 America lives and three trillion dollars is something to be concerned about [/s]

time to run jeb bush. he would not do a deal with the iranians ... unless there was some money in it for him
 
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eohrnberger said:
I would respectfully submit that Iran is a known bad actor. Their support of Hezbollah in Lebanon and the recurring firing of rockets into Israel from time to time is well known, and is a prime example of their exporting and supporting terrorism.

Now imagine Hezbollah in Lebanon with rockets with Iranian nuclear warheads. Not a pretty picture.

With their known support of terrorist organizations, now imagine a terrorist cell sneaking in an Iranian warhead into say New York harbor. Also not a pretty picture.

From what I've head, there is no mandate to dismantle nor cease nor slow down plutonium enrichment. Plutonium is the nuclear ingredient in fission nuclear weapons. That is it's sole purpose. If this it correct, this is where this deal really falls down. But hey, maybe this is just an oversight by Obama's administration, and he being a 'big picture guy' couldn't be bothered with this significant detail.
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Absolutely. And today Iran states that the US is lying about the details of this deal (that is still being discussed). Obama is trying to roll doo-doo in glitter-in an attempt to distract us from his shortcomings in the ACA.

Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal | Washington Free Beacon
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Being proud of your country is one thing, thinking it is better than everywhere else is quite another. If we're the best, then we don't need to improve anything, right? Just keep everything as it is, since, after all, we're the best.

And labeling anyone who disagrees with your point of view on any subject as a "liberal" and just lumping them all together as such is not the same as independent thinking. It is quite the opposite, in fact.
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Spare me your attempt to characterize my comments as "thinking its better than everywhere else".
I said it was exceptional-and it demonstably IS-in the aspects Ive already named twice.

We are unique, period.
 
MMC said:
Update: Israel's Netanyahu is said to have rebuked Obama. Moreover.....Team Obama admitted to the phone call but did not say anything about Netanyahu. Now its up in the Israeli News saying Obama was rebuked. Also the new wrinkle will be the Israelis coming to the US for the final deal with Iran.

Netanyahu Rebukes Obama in Phone Call About Iran Deal.....

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Since the Iran nuclear deal was announced on Sunday, top Republicans and Democrats have blasted it, former Ambassador to the UN John Bolton called the deal an “abject surrender by the United States,” and one of our closest allies is “extremely angry,” to say the least. That ally, as you well know by now, is Israel. And the Sunday phone call between the two world leaders went just as you would imagine.

The Jerusalem Post reports:

A lawmaker from Netanyahu's Likud faction told an Israeli television station earlier on Monday that the premier rebuked US President Barack Obama over the interim agreement agreed upon by the Western powers and Iran on Sunday.


"The prime minister made it clear to the most powerful man on earth that if he intends to stay the most powerful man on earth, it's important to make a change in American policy because the practical result of his current policy is liable to lead him to the same failure that the Americans absorbed in North Korea and Pakistan, and Iran could be next in line," Likud Beytenu MK Tzachi Hanegbi told the Knesset Channel.....snip~

Netanyahu Rebukes Obama in Phone Call About Iran Deal - Leah Barkoukis
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And Iran says the US is lying as well. So both Israel and Iran are thrilled. Obama could not be a bigger chump if he tried.
Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal | Washington Free Beacon
 
mikeafone said:
Which is why Jews never vote for democrats ... HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! Didn't Obama get the Jewish vote -comfortably? hmmmmmm ... I guess Jews are just like blacks, huh? They simply don't know what is best for them, do they? If you want to find critics of Israeli policy, you can go to Israel ... there are many Israelis there who are very critical of Bibi and his and his party's positions ...
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There are plenty of anti-zionist jews in the US.

To state that because they vote liberal means Obama is successful is a stretch.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Isn't there a deal in writing?
Why do we have to weigh whether a blogger citing an " Iranian foreign ministry official " is telling the truth and Obama is lying? Surely, there must be a written contract somewhere, isn't there?
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From the article- "However, Iranian foreign ministry official on Tuesday rejected the White House’s version of the deal as “invalid” and accused Washington of releasing a factually inaccurate primer that misleads the American public."






According to the article-no there is not-though Obama is painting this as if there HAS been a deal.

Its a dog and pony show my Obama in a lame attempt to distract us. Its bad when the guy the deal has supposedly been made with says uh no it hasnt. :)
 
US Conservative said:
There are plenty of anti-zionist jews in the US.

To state that because they vote liberal means Obama is successful is a stretch.
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that's not why I stated it ... try again ... I'm off for the evening, so have a good one ...
 
US Conservative said:
From the article- "However, Iranian foreign ministry official on Tuesday rejected the White House’s version of the deal as “invalid” and accused Washington of releasing a factually inaccurate primer that misleads the American public."






According to the article-no there is not-though Obama is painting this as if there HAS been a deal.

Its a dog and pony show my Obama in a lame attempt to distract us. Its bad when the guy the deal has supposedly been made with says uh no it hasnt. :)
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Again, it's an "Iranian foreign ministry official" saying this, according to the blog. If that foreign ministry official is correct, whoever he may be, then there is, in fact, no deal at all.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Again, it's an "Iranian foreign ministry official" saying this, according to the blog. If that foreign ministry official is correct, whoever he may be, then there is, in fact, no deal at all.
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Yes, thats correct. Its of note that the only "news" of this is from Obama, to the western media. The only news Ive heard from Iran is this-and its contradictory to Obama.
 
US Conservative said:
Did you miss where I said only Western media is reporting this-not iran? And your link is 2 days old, this has developed subsequently. Focus please.
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still waiting on you to share with us what about the text from iran that is represented differently by the white house

or is this your admission that you are unable to identify any difference
 
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Americans back Iran deal by 2-to-1 margin: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Americans back Iran deal by 2-to-1 margin: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters


Fortunately, the American people know more then most (usually, imo) ignorant Neocons.

Peace deals are almost always a good deal.

The fact that it pisses off Netanyahu makes me doubly sure this is good for the world as a whole.

Once again, congrats to Obama for (rarely) doing something right.
 
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DA60 said:
Americans back Iran deal by 2-to-1 margin: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Americans back Iran deal by 2-to-1 margin: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters


Fortunately, the American people know more then most (usually, imo) ignorant Neocons.

Peace deals are almost always a good deal.

The fact that it pisses off Netanyahu makes me doubly sure this is good for the world as a whole.

Once again, congrats to Obama for (rarely) doing something right.
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False peace deals help nobody-and Israels outrage isn't a good thing-unless you hate israeli's.
 
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US Conservative said:
False peace deals help nobody-and Israels outrage isn't a good thing-unless you hate israeli's.
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Much is yet to be determined of this tentative deal, so it's too early to call if a "false" peace. However, this will do two things and that is 1) allow us to get a fairly accurate picture of where their nuclear program is at and 2) this had to happened if before any military action to at least see if peace can work. Remember what happened the last time we rushed into war and didn't give the inspectors time to check things out.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Remember what happened the last time we rushed into war and didn't give the inspectors time to check things out.
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I never said false peace-I said false peace deal. Im sure you can see the difference.
I dont remember-hopefully you dont mean bush. We certainly did not rush.
 
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US Conservative said:
I dont remember-hopefully you dont mean bush. We certainly did not rush.
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Rush is probably not the best word, more like impatient. When the weapon inspectors returned from Iraq, they were seeing progress when it came to cooperation and disclosure of their weapons stockpile. More to the point, there weren't WMD's found in the country by the inspectors themselves. Were the weapon inspectors given more time, they would of eventually concluded what we now know to be the truth... Iraq didn't have WMD's, at least not in the stock piles that were thought.
 
US Conservative said:
And Iran says the US is lying as well. So both Israel and Iran are thrilled. Obama could not be a bigger chump if he tried.
Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal | Washington Free Beacon
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Mornin' USC. :2wave: Well truthfully this deal isn't even the complete deal. It is just the start of the deal. Which any deal has to be approved by Khamenei, himself.

What I am also looking at.....is that issue Obama and the Europeans like to talk about. The World's Market. Economy. You know.....how they talk about it is all tied together and whatnot. That this behind the scenes underlying factor is more relevant than what all have been led to believe. That desperation by those affected is now showing thru. Despite all the other rhetoric.

That these sanctions are not just crippling Iran. But everybody involved in the game.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Rush is probably not the best word, more like impatient. When the weapon inspectors returned from Iraq, they were seeing progress when it came to cooperation and disclosure of their weapons stockpile. More to the point, there weren't WMD's found in the country by the inspectors themselves. Were the weapon inspectors given more time, they would of eventually concluded what we now know to be the truth... Iraq didn't have WMD's, at least not in the stock piles that were thought.
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How does who finds them matter? :)

Progress is not the same as compliance-and per Clintons law regime change in Iraq was the policy of the US. Context matters here.
 
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